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#31 readingrilke

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Posted 08 August 2007 - 04:38 PM

I don't remember the month of the article, but it was with Ken Soto on the cover

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Did you mean Ken Goto, Jacques right hand man?

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Yes! Sorry for the mistake. It was a story on him, where he stated that his favorite piece of equipment was the Sollich enrober because it gave a perfect coat. I think it was the mini-mars enrober.

My line of credit probably won't materialize, so the LCM for me is a non-issue now. Do you or anyone else have info on the Mol'd Art Temperer with enrobing line? I am mostly concerned with having 'feet' on my enrobed pieces.

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Posted 09 August 2007 - 04:16 AM

fighting footing (ha!) is a matter of finding the chocolate with the right flow properties and the adjusting your blower and your take off. any enrober/tunnel combination will have at least one detailer, which also will help take off that final bit of excess. there's a little more to it than that, but pretty much any commercially available piece of equipment should provide you with minimal footing once you've got it lined out..

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Posted 23 August 2007 - 06:58 PM

Hello,

I am looking for anyone with experience/critique of the mold'art enrober. Did you have issues with feet? Paper tension, etc.

Best

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 01:40 PM

I am looking to purchase an enrobing machine for my small operation. My problem is I am 10 hours of driving away from Montreal where DR & Perfect equipment are located and 9 hours away from Tomric in Buffalo. I am hoping to make it to Montreal to see some demo's so I was wondering if anyone who has used an enrober has some tips or hints for me to watch out for?

I am looking at the smaller pieces of equipment since space is an issue.

The specs offered by the companies tend to be vague. Size, Quantity & price. Since I have never worked with an enrober or seen one in action any suggestions you can offer would be a help!

The pricing is between $10,000 - $21,000 Can$ so you can see I don't want to make this decision lightly, but where do I start? My experience with purchasing equipment so far is the suppliers & manufacturers seem to assume you already know what you are doing and the instructions are minimal.

I am hoping to get the equipment in and be efficient on it before July since that is my busy season!!

Thanks! Beth

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 01:46 PM

When I had my business I used the Hilliard machine, which has a shaker. It is also possible to get a cooling tunnel for it. I loved it. And they were very responsive when I called to ask questions, or when the shaker wire was damaged when an employee dropped something into it that got stuck.

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Posted 04 February 2008 - 02:41 PM

I am looking to purchase an enrobing machine for my small operation.  My problem is I am 10 hours of driving away from Montreal where DR & Perfect equipment are located and 9 hours away from Tomric in Buffalo.  I am hoping to make it to Montreal to see some demo's so I was wondering if anyone who has used an enrober has some tips or hints for me to watch out for?

I am looking at the smaller pieces of equipment since space is an issue. 

The specs offered by the companies tend to be vague.  Size, Quantity & price.  Since I have never worked with an enrober or seen one in action any suggestions you can offer would be a help!

The pricing is between $10,000 - $21,000 Can$ so you can see I don't want to make this decision lightly, but where do I start?  My experience with purchasing equipment so far is the suppliers & manufacturers seem to assume you already know what you are doing and the instructions are minimal.

I am hoping to get the equipment in and be efficient on it before July since that is my busy season!!

Thanks!  Beth

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hi,

you might want to checkout this thread --) http://forums.egulle...opic=99001&st=0

if you scroll down you will find my little enrober home story :-)
if you have any question i be glad to help you...

cheers

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Posted 11 June 2008 - 10:05 PM

http://www.hilliards..._HandCoater.cfm

Has anyone used this hand coater from Hilliard's??
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#38 Kerry Beal

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 04:03 AM

I haven't used it, but I had a good look at it. Problem is no paper take off for the product - very limiting in how one person could work with it.

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 01:19 PM

I haven't used it, but I had a good look at it.  Problem is no paper take off for the product - very limiting in how one person could work with it.

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Can you please explain what a paper take off is?? Thanks!

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#40 Kerry Beal

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 01:51 PM

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Here is a picture of a Selmi enrober. As you can see on the right you have the chain which marches the items to be enrobed through the shower of chocolate. On the left is an independent belt that has a roll of wax paper feeding it. The enrobed items make their way on to the wax paper, where they can be removed on sheets of plexiglass or metal to the cooling area. Alternately the wax paper belt can continue into a cooling tunnel which starts at room temperature at the intake end, steps down to cooling temperature and then returns them to room temperature at the outflow.

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 03:40 PM

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Here is a picture of a Selmi enrober.  As you can see on the right you have the chain which marches the items to be enrobed through the shower of chocolate.  On the left is an independent belt that has a roll of wax paper feeding it.  The enrobed items make their way on to the wax paper, where they can be removed on sheets of plexiglass or metal to the cooling area.  Alternately the wax paper belt can continue into a cooling tunnel which starts at room temperature at the intake end, steps down to cooling temperature and then returns them to room temperature at the outflow.

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I agree with Kerry. If you can afford it go with the Selmi. That's what I'm going to get when I get the funds.

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 03:49 PM

I was supposed to be taking a couple of guys down to see the Selmi on Monday, but they are unable to go at the last minute. Darn! I love to go down and play with the thing. I will have to drop by and visit it anyway.

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 03:56 PM

Thanks for the photos! I think Hilliards has something like this that attaches to the unit. What model is this Selmi?? Is there a distributer in the United States?

Thanks!
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#44 Kerry Beal

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 04:04 PM

Thanks for the photos!  I think Hilliards has something like this that attaches to the unit.  What model is this Selmi??  Is there a distributer in the United States?

Thanks!
Diane

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I may be mistaken but I don't think the Hilliard Hand Coater or the Jumbo Hand Coater enrober has a paper takeoff. I think they may make bigger units that do. I think their six inch coater is the first size that can, and I think it requires modification to do so.


The distributor for the Selmi in the US (actually all of North America) is Tomric plastics in Buffalo. They have a whole demo kitchen there and will train you on the use of the equipment. If you reach a point where you are considering this, send me a PM and I'll happily connect you to the right people there.

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Posted 12 June 2008 - 11:21 PM

If anyone is interested in the Selmi, here's the email/contact information for the guy you want to talk to.

Sean Tucci @ Tomric
email: stucci@tomric.com
You can also call Tomric and they will transfer you to him.

He's the guy you need to talk to for any Selmi sales, questions, etc...

Don't bother emailing Selmi directly, because you will not get a response or at least without bugging them to death.

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Posted 13 June 2008 - 03:49 PM

Thanks for all the info. I am happy a Selmi dist. is available in the USA. Any idea on cost?

:)
Diane

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Posted 13 June 2008 - 04:05 PM

Wow-I can't stop researching....

Mol d'art has some nice machines too. Does anyone use these???

http://www.moldart.b...roductID=220697

http://www.moldart.b...roductID=220699
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#48 Kerry Beal

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Posted 13 June 2008 - 05:04 PM

Thanks for all the info.  I am happy a Selmi dist. is available in the USA.  Any idea on cost?

:)
Diane

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With enrober - about $33,000.

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Posted 13 June 2008 - 05:09 PM

Wow-I can't stop researching....

Mol d'art has some nice machines too.  Does anyone use these???

http://www.moldart.b...roductID=220697

http://www.moldart.b...roductID=220699

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The second one shown here is similar to the 'Perfect' equipment machine made in Montreal. Much more reasonably priced than others. There is quite a difference in the machines with the wheels vs the automatic tempering machines such as the Selmi.

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Posted 13 June 2008 - 09:17 PM

I am considering the Easy 1 by Perfect Equipment. I did some reference checks and only a few machines were sold at that time. A company in Montreal was pleased with the product but I am going to follow up with them and also contact any other new customers. The machine will cost approx $19k CAD. I am going to be in Montreal in September and I will check out the machine first hand.

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Posted 13 June 2008 - 09:22 PM

Wow-I can't stop researching....

Mol d'art has some nice machines too.  Does anyone use these???

http://www.moldart.b...roductID=220697

http://www.moldart.b...roductID=220699

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The second one shown here is similar to the 'Perfect' equipment machine made in Montreal. Much more reasonably priced than others. There is quite a difference in the machines with the wheels vs the automatic tempering machines such as the Selmi.

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It seems as though the Mol d'art machines are more resonably priced than the competitors.
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#52 Kerry Beal

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 05:10 AM

Wow-I can't stop researching....

Mol d'art has some nice machines too.  Does anyone use these???

http://www.moldart.b...roductID=220697

http://www.moldart.b...roductID=220699

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The second one shown here is similar to the 'Perfect' equipment machine made in Montreal. Much more reasonably priced than others. There is quite a difference in the machines with the wheels vs the automatic tempering machines such as the Selmi.

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It seems as though the Mol d'art machines are more resonably priced than the competitors.

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The wheeled machines are cheaper than the non wheeled, mold'art appears well priced in the whelled market. But do check out www.perfectinc.com

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 05:15 AM

I am considering the Easy 1 by Perfect Equipment.  I did some reference checks and only a few machines were sold at that time. A company in Montreal was pleased with the product but I am going to follow up with them and also contact any other new customers. The machine will cost approx $19k CAD.  I am going to be in Montreal in September and I will check out the machine first hand.

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It's a nice looking machine (except for the orange colour). I didn't realize that one was in operation yet. When I contacted them to come up and check it out in May they were still wiring it they said.

An advantage is that it's 220 single phase so you don't have to get the adapter. That makes it a bit bigger than the Selmi, but it's a lot less expensive.

I'm anxious to get a first hand look at it too.

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 07:42 AM

Hi:

I just bought a Prefamac 30kg machine with the enrober attachment from bakonusa.com. It was about $20,000. Doesn't have all the bells and whistles of other machines for more money, but thus far it's been great for both molded pieces and enrobing. Basically takes 2 people to operate, but I am very pleased with the results. It's a good machine for mid-volume and not as steep as LCM, Savvy or some others. Also I am very pleased with the customer service from Luc at Bakon USA. Let me know if you have any questions and I'll be glad to answer them.
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#55 Kerry Beal

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 07:49 AM

Hi:

I just bought a Prefamac 30kg machine with the enrober attachment from bakonusa.com. It was about $20,000. Doesn't have all the bells and whistles of other machines for more money, but thus far it's been great for both molded pieces and enrobing. Basically takes 2 people to operate, but I am very pleased with the results. It's a good machine for mid-volume and not as steep as LCM, Savvy or some others. Also I am very pleased with the customer service from Luc at Bakon USA. Let me know if you have any questions and I'll be glad to answer them.

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It's got a wheel, doesn't it? How do you find cleanup? Do you find the chocolate thickens significantly during the day?

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 08:27 AM

It's a nice looking machine (except for the orange colour). I didn't realize that one was in operation yet. When I contacted them to come up and check it out in May they were still wiring it they said.

An advantage is that it's 220 single phase so you don't have to get the adapter. That makes it a bit bigger than the Selmi, but it's a lot less expensive.

I'm anxious to get a first hand look at it too.

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The Easy-1 is in use at chocolaterie Geneviève Grandbois.
Perfect sent me a demo video of the machine and it seemed easy enough to use. He told me that they had about 4 orders pending and that was last year.

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 08:50 AM

I am truly amazed at the selection of machines available after viewing this topic. How in the world does anyone choose??

Diane
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Posted 14 June 2008 - 12:48 PM

I am truly amazed at the selection of machines available after viewing this topic.  How in the world does anyone choose?? 

Diane

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I am having to decide by price. Oh, it must be up to good standards but I need to get the biggest bang for my dollar. Being in Canada it is easier for me to do the purchase with Perfect rather than importing.

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 01:59 PM

Wow-I can't stop researching....

Mol d'art has some nice machines too.  Does anyone use these???

http://www.moldart.b...roductID=220697

http://www.moldart.b...roductID=220699

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The second one shown here is similar to the 'Perfect' equipment machine made in Montreal. Much more reasonably priced than others. There is quite a difference in the machines with the wheels vs the automatic tempering machines such as the Selmi.

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Kerry,
From what I understand, the one with a wheel is not as desirable, because the chocolate will thicken, but the selmi won't. Am I correct in that understanding?
Luis

#60 Kerry Beal

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 02:39 PM

Kerry,
From what I understand, the one with a wheel is not as desirable, because the chocolate will thicken, but the selmi won't. Am I correct in that understanding?
Luis

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That is how I understand it. I think the final tempering occurs just as the chocolate is drawn up through the screw that dispenses the chocolate.