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#31 ASM NY

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Posted 03 January 2005 - 10:07 AM

La Merced huh? Make sure to pack some heat...

Another place you should check out is Los Almendros. This is for food typical of Yucatan, try the Lima Soup, Pollo Oriental and the pheasant.
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Posted 04 January 2005 - 12:08 PM

La Merced huh? Make sure to pack some heat...


Surely you are referring to chiles? 'Cause the penalties for packing heat in Mexico are unlovely in extremis.

Now, the curanderos/brujos market can be a little scary, but La Merced? Just dress drably, divest yourself of a look of 'tourist' or prosperous person, and, for heaven's sake, leave the Rolex at home!!! Never really had a problem there.

Oh, yeah. Add Carmen Ramirez Degollado's El Bajio to the list. And the Circulo de Suroeste. Hell, go to Sanborn's Casa de Azulejos for b'fast and note the buzzing see and be seen scene - tourists, but an amazing number of nationals. While there look at the Garden of Eden murals on the wall and tell me if those flying egrets don't look like pterodactyls.

And do not miss Panaderia La ideal or their wedding and quinceanera cake room. It's on Calle Uruguay, just around the corner from Churreria los Moros.


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Posted 04 January 2005 - 07:06 PM

La Merced huh? Make sure to pack some heat...


Surely you are referring to chiles? 'Cause the penalties for packing heat in Mexico are unlovely in extremis.


LOL...you took the words right out of my mouth. :laugh:

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#34 Holly Moore

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Posted 04 January 2005 - 07:34 PM

If you're up for a bit of an outting, either an overnight or same day round trip, have lunch or dinner at Las Mananitas in Cuernavaca, about 50 miles south of Mexico City. A beautiful outdoor dining patio and one of the finest restaurants in Mexico - also a member of Relais & Chateaux

I did four days there a few years ago and can't wait to get back.
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Posted 05 January 2005 - 10:12 AM

Just got back from Mexico and Mexico City, where we spent our last five days. Tried to do as much eating as possible, but many places where closed either early or for the holidays. In particular Izote, where i really wanted to go.
Although disappointed, was redeemed with great food and service experiences at El Bajio - those huazontle rellenos and the carnitas are unreal. Carmen's daughter, a pastry chef, is making the desserts, had a beautiful cheese cake with a jamaica (hibiscus flower) sauce, to die for.

Fonda El Refugio, absolutely fab, classic cuisine and great service.

Bar Opera, wrap yourselves into one of those red velvet booths and enjoy the ambience, food , music and drinks.

Casa Lamm - very chic with their new renovation and great for breakfast, although a little too much on the cream sauce. But great coffee and morning sun.

Casa de los Azulejos ( Sanborns) - yes, indeed. My favourite Sanborns. Have taken to the coffee shop side where older eccentrics tend to hang. Love it.

Cafe la Habana - as a coffee addict, I would throughly recommend this 1950's throw back that roasts on site and has the most incredible Italian coffee machines with super fast baristas pulling shots like nobody's business. Buy coffee beans in three roasts for home - they make your hotel room and luggage smell divine. The cafe boasts a visit from Fidel Castro in his pre-revolution stage.

And evening strolls in the Zocalo in the historic centro, I can never resist the corn on the cob that gets a little toasting on the grill, slathered with chile, salt and lime juice.

Do go in the cathedral in the zocalo. Finally the scaffolding has been removed. We strolled in on New Year's day, the ancient organ was playing that added to the magnificence of each and every shrine and you can now take tours of the bell tower.

More coffee haunts for me are also the Cafe La Blanca on Cinco de Mayo and Isabel la Catholica. I have a thing for the older gentleman waiters in bow ties. They have so much style and grace.

This is my first day back and I miss it already.

There is one negative note. I would definitely NOT recommend going to Los Girasoles. I have gone there every year since they've been open and will not ever go again. Had very bad service, food was sub standard and we were treated very poorly. You know the kind of service where the wait staff and management are vastly superior, the customer is always wrong and you are being charged ridiculous prices. Basically the vibe was hurry up and get out.
The wine prices are great here though, but the white wine came to the table with a layer of ice all over it. We wanted to try a tempranillo we had been looking for, but the plato fuerte arrived before we had finished our appetizers. They were ripped out from under us, I could go on, but it is too painful.
I wanted to gently voice my concerns to that dweeb of a captain they have working there. Although I get by in my rudimentary Spanish I wanted to speak to him in English, which I have done in the past and he to me. All of a sudden he could no longer speak English and claimed he could never speak English. It makes me shudder to think of it. Super creapy experience, one of which I have never had in my 14 years of traveling to Mexico.
So please pass on the experience of Los Girasoles. There are so many other great places to go in
that incredible city.

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Posted 05 January 2005 - 04:26 PM

I just love all these recommendations. As Esperanza said, there's no decent guide to restaurants in Mexico City.

Perhaps it's worth pointing out for followers of this thread that don't know Mexico City that there are several distinct restaurant areas in Mexico City. Maybe we could gradually fill them in because the city's so huge and the traffic so terrible especially with construction on the Periferico that you really have to pick an area.

Plus, as a resident, I'm always on the look out for any good restaurant be it Mexican or not. Apart from a few old standbys Mexican restaurants are a pretty new phenomenon in Mexico. It always used to be a terrible problem for Mexicans to find Mexican restaurants to take visitors to.

Center/Zona Rosa which are the areas visitors typically get to (as well as a lot of locals). this is the area with lots of monuments. The center which was horribly scruffy is finally and slowly getting tidied up years after the earthquake and the decline associated with most centers got under way. The Zona Rosa is going in the reverse direction.

Chapultepec/Polanco area. This is the well-to do area closest to the center. It's bursting with chic and often very good restaurants though I don't know it well. It's not surprising that many of the new Mexican restaurants, including Izote, are strung out north of Reforma between this area and the Center. I was once taken to Charlotte's bistro and thoroughly enjoyed it. Open only for lunch and at least then a tiny place with four or five tables it offers French/Mediterranean by an English woman
who does a lot of high end catering in the city.

The West and the North (Satellite). There have to be good restaurants in these wealthy areas but who knows what or where they are.

Colonia Roma/Condessa. Hip, coming up in the world again to the glory that they had in the late nineteenth century. Shelora mentioned Casa Lamm. Nickarte could probably add lots more if he's still checking from time to time.

The South (San Angel/Coyoacán). Well worth visiting, just look in any guide book. Whoops, I've got to log offf unexpectedly. More on the south in a while

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Posted 24 January 2005 - 07:49 AM

I have a friend who is in Cuernavaca for a week and he wants to know what to bring back to me. He has packed an extra bag to fill with things just for me! :blush: However I have no idea what to ask for, I know I want dried peppers of various kinds and corn husks for tamales, and Masa Harina, and one of those pans for roasting peppers. What other food products for making Mexican dishes are best bought in Mexico? Does anyone know a thread on this? But mostly, from Cuernavaca, what is the easiest place to buy foods and kitchen implements to travel? Any advice will help. Thank you. :smile:

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Posted 24 January 2005 - 12:57 PM

I'd say have him not waste space on the comal (the pepper roasting pan). A clay one is too fragile to travel and a metal one isn't necessary. Any griddle will do; I char my chiles on a round cast iron griddle and it works fine.

Masa harina...well, you'll find uses for it. Corn husks, yes. Dried chiles, definitely. Here's a short list of several dried varieties he should buy:

guajillo
ancho
de arbol
chipotle
cascabel


Also ask him to buy some cans of chiles jalapeño en escabeche. The very best brand is La Morena; almost any size can is available. And tell him to pick up a couple of cans of chiles chipotle en adobo.

He could buy you some dried maíz colorado, dried red corn kernels, to be rehydrated for pozole or nixtamal-ized for grinding into masa.

If he's really a glutton for punishment, ask him for a molcajete con tejolote (volcanic rock mortar and pestle). This will weigh a lot, but there's no good substitute. He'll want to find one that is very small-pored. If he brings it to you, ask me later how to cure it for use.

Tell him to ask in Cuernavaca for the location of the Mercado de Abastos or any central market.
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Posted 25 January 2005 - 03:46 AM

I'd say have him not waste space on the comal (the pepper roasting pan).  A clay one is too fragile to travel and a metal one isn't necessary.  Any griddle will do; I char my chiles on a round cast iron griddle and it works fine.

Masa harina...well, you'll find uses for it.  Corn husks, yes.  Dried chiles, definitely.  Here's a short list of several dried varieties he should buy:

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Tell him to ask in Cuernavaca for the location of the Mercado de Abastos or any central market.

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Thank you ever so much for your advice. I will send him to the Mercado de Abastos in Cuernavaca for these things. :smile:

Should I ask him for mexican chocolate to make a mole or can I use local chocolate with no difference?

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Posted 25 January 2005 - 07:34 AM

Yes, by all means have him buy Mexican chocolate. If he can find chocolate de metate, that's what he should get. If not, Moctezuma is a good brand, as is Ibarra. Mexican chocolate is made with sugar, cinnamon, and sometimes almonds ground into the mix, so it's very different from what you have in France. Great that you thought of it!

The mole that has a bit of chocolate is mole poblano, Puebla style mole. There are many, many moles that don't contain chocolate. You undoubtedly know this already...

Be sure to have him bring you a Mexican lime squeezer--a metal one, you don't want one of the flimsy plastic ones. You'll wonder what in the world you did without it. The lime goes into the squeezer with the rounded side facing you, the cut side down. You squeeze the handle et voilá.

There are also orange squeezers that work the same way, but I don't find them quite as satisfactory.

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Posted 07 February 2005 - 04:19 PM

Some of my favorites:

The Mercado in Colonia del Valle - the dining room off to the side has two vendors. Jorge ( I don't know his last name) and his family have been selling the best carnitas in Mexico City for decades. My family has been going there for ages and every time I return to Mexico City for my feast there, Jorge always remembers me as the daughter of the one who lives in Chicago.

The Mercado in Coyocacan: I don't have a particular favorite here but have had many memorable meals wandering the stalls. One that stands out is a vendor that makes the most awesome tostadas.

El Bajio, of course! but that has been mentioned several times here.

When I take the late flight into Mexico City and arrive around 11 pm, my family always takes me for tacos at El Charco de las Ranas in Mixcoac.

I don't know if it is still around but my grandfather used to take us to Ostioneria Boca del Rio when we were kids for the oyster and shrimp cocktails. When we were very young, he would take all his grandchildren, about seven of us at the time, on the trolley for Churros at El Moro. We had to be all dressed up and on our best behavior whenever we would go out with him.

We would also visit him at his bookstore downtown with my mom and while she would visit with him, we would head off to the shoe store a few storefronts down (El Borsegui (sp?)) where they had aguas frescas in those old fountain drink dispensers and we could help ourselves to them. Apparently, the owner was friends with my grandfather and for this reason alone, put up with our antics. These places may no longer be there but they are treasured memories of my time in Mexico City.

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Posted 08 February 2005 - 11:51 AM

I found Dining Guide for Mexico City, which also lists my favorite Delicatessen, Sep's, at Michoacan y Tamaulipas (I believe in Condesa or Hippodromo), but I haven't been there for a while. They had very good paté and German style breads when I was there. I will be returning to Mexico City on March 5, 2005, unfortunately only for a week, but I do hope to visit some of the newer restaurants, including Izote. I'll be staying with a friend in Anzures, who also has a house in Oaxatepec, and so we may go there as well.

One of my best dining experiences in Mexico City was at a restaurant in Del Valle, on Insurgentes Sur, I believe (this was in 1981, and so I can't be sure), where I had the best Cabrito al Horno ever. I hope my friends will remember this restaurant. On my last visit (2002) I went to San Angel on a Sunday (very crowded) and had only so-so food at Mexican restaurant there. The neighborhood was beautiful, as well as the restaurant, but the service was extremely slow.

If you go to Guanajuato, I recommend going to Santa Cecilia castle , which has been converted to a restaurant. I was there in 1992 and enjoyed both the food and the atmosphere, but it would have been memorable even if the food had not been good.

I very much appreciate the reviews I've been reading here, as I did not have current info on dining out in Mexico City and hope to take advantage of being able to visit some new and interesting restaurants.

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Posted 08 February 2005 - 01:22 PM

I like the pastelería on Juan de la Barrera 92 and Matehuala, across from Edificio Condesa, where some of my friends live. You can find the address here. There used to be a woman who would sit in front of the panaderia in the evenings and make empanadas (with masa). My favorite ones were filled with huitlacoche. Because my friends knew her, I felt safe buying from her and did not get sick. She's no longer there, but there is a nice heladería across the street from the pastelería.

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Posted 11 February 2005 - 03:23 AM

Don't have time to add much except to say that at night, Mercado Merced is indeed quite dangerous. It's $5 hooker and drug dealer territory. If you're looking to get robbed, AIDS, or put in jail, go there at night. The only place in Mexico City I felt truly scared. I walked about block and then ran back to the Metro station. And I walked around by myself all over el centro and zona rosa, even taking a night stroll to look at those statues and obelisks in the middle of the street.

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Posted 11 February 2005 - 11:05 AM

I found a copy of Gente & Casa from March 2003, and it had restaurant review for the following:

Salute – Pardo Norte 125, Lomas de Chapultepec (Jamaican)
La Bouchon – Julio Verne esq. Vergilio, Polanco (French)
CafÉ – Monte Líbano 246, Lomas de Chapultepec (Contemporary)
Ici – Tennyson 102, Polanco (Mediterranean, Spanish)
Landó – Emlio Castelar 121, Polanco (Grill/Bistro)

It also had ads for the following restaurants:

Additional restaurants advertising:
Grotto (Oyster & Prime Sushi Bar)
Bristro Cibeles (Mediterranean)
Il Fornaio (Italian)
Altamira (Spanish)
El Discreto Encanto de Comer (French)
Estoril
Sofia (Italian)
Bice (Italian)

I found reviews for some of them at
Virtual Tourist

I realize that the magazine is old, but some of ther restaurants may still be there.

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Posted 14 February 2005 - 06:29 PM

I see that you can't edit posts here, or else I would do that. I wanted to add a link to a photo of me taken in a D.F. restaurant. I forget which floor the patio was on, but you can see the main cathedral behind me. The restaurant overlooks the zocalo, and I went there mainly for the view. Since it was over 20 years ago, I don't remember the food.

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 07:18 PM

Would love to hear recs of worthwhile restaurants or food sites in Mexico City. I will be visiting over Memorial Day weekend. Any feedback would be much appreciated!

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 08:03 PM

Would love to hear recs of worthwhile restaurants or food sites in Mexico City.  I will be visiting over Memorial Day weekend. Any feedback would be much appreciated!

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Would love to make some suggestions, but not certain what "worthwhile" might connote.??!!??

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Posted 05 May 2005 - 11:05 PM

well i cant imagine that someone on this website would post something thats was NOT worthwhile but I am just looking for places not found in your everyday guide book. Looking for: restaurants, street vendors, markets, etc

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Posted 06 May 2005 - 06:03 AM

Welcome besos-foods. Your business looks fascinating. If you're interested in fresh foods, you are going to love lots of the places you can visit in Mexico City. It's a great place for the food explorer. Perhaps the way to get off to a flying start is to google this forum. Lots of people have posted reports of their experiences in Mexico City. That might give you some ideas about places you want to ask more about. And then we can try to fill you in,

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Posted 06 May 2005 - 08:43 AM

Please see my previous contributions, as I (and other members) have talked about street food, markets, etc.

A redisvoery, not previously mentioned by anybody, is the old Restaurante Lincoln on calle Revillagigedo #24, about 2 blocks south of the Alemeda. It had been there since the 1940's; I hadn't been for probebly 15 years, but we decided to have comeda there for old times sake and were very pleased with the basically mexican seafood oriented menu. This is an "old time" businessman type place with boothes and funky '50's murals- nothing "hip", bowl of raw vegetables and salsa served when you sit down, a style that is dissapearing here. I had a fabulous "calamares rellenos" and an excellent traditional ceviche. Add it to the list!

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Posted 08 May 2005 - 08:55 PM

Welcome besos-foods. Your business looks fascinating. If you're interested in fresh foods, you are going to love lots of the places you can visit in Mexico City.  It's a great place for the food explorer.  Perhaps the way to get off to a flying start is to google this forum.  Lots of people have posted reports of their experiences in Mexico City.  That might give you some ideas about places you want to ask more about.  And then we can try to fill you in,

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thank you Rachel,
I did a search but didn't do a Google search until now. How will I fit all these great places into a weekend? I also saw a write up about a great taco place in Gourmet magazine so my list will just keep getting bigger

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Posted 09 May 2005 - 09:57 AM

Don't know whats on your list but ...

If you are near the Plaza Mayor and the Metropolitan Cathedral, the ladies selling sweet gorditas (proper name escapes me just now) are not to be missed for a simple, traditional snack. I found that the weekend taco and antojito vendors on the Plaza just to the east of the Cathedral, by the Plaza Mayor museum are really great - just watch out for the salsa verde: it was bien rica pero se pica mucho!

At the opposite end of the Plaza, down about 2 blocks to Calle Uruguay, take a right and walk about two more blocks to Panaderia La Ideal. They have a second floor showroom of wedding and quinceanera cakes worth the trip alone. The bakery has every manner of pan dulces and wonderful breads. If you're lucky they'll have some of their breads woven and decorated to look like little caimanes ... fresh water alligators.

Out the door and to your right again, walk all the way to Lazaro Cardenas - a huge boulevard. Turn left at Cardenas and either one or two blocks up is the Churreria El Moro. Open 24/7, and covered to the eyebrows in blue and white glazed tiles, it serves three styles of hot chocolate and freshly made churros.

Behind the Metropolitan Cathedral is a bar called Las Sirenas, with rooftop seating. The margaritas are crisp and the view is wonderful - it looks out over the excavations of the Aztec Templo Mayor.

Going up Calle Tacuba, running west from the Met Cathedral, you will find Las Girasoles and the Cafe Tacuba. Girasoles will be featuring the traditional foods of the season. It is a lovely place, the duck in blackberry mole (not entirely traditional, that one) is yummy, and the Margaritas de Tamarindo are lethal.

Cafe Tacuba is quaint, the food is good - enchiladas, etc. It was a favorite b'fast spot of Frida Kahlo's.

South a block or two to Calle Cinco de Mayo puts you at the Bar La Opera and the Dulceria de Celaya - both dating to the era of Porfirio Diaz. La Opera is the quintessential gentleman's lunching establishment (women are welcome), and there are still a few bullet holes in the elegant stamped tin ceiling said to have been put there by Villa when he and his troops arrived in the DF and he rode, literally, in for lunch. It is claimed there are photos to prove it. Their watercress salad is suberb.

If, however, you are looking for something quite haute, then either the Zona Rosa for Tezka (owned by Juan Mari Arzak or Arzak in San Sebastian, Spain; Chef was Bruno Oteiza), or in Polanco for Izote (Patricia Quintana's restaurant). Both do, I believe have web presences, and both are wonderful.

And if you do not make any of these places, you will still have wonderfual food. Mexico is just a fabulous food country.

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#54 theabroma

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Posted 09 May 2005 - 10:02 AM

Don't know whats on your list but ...

If you are near the Plaza Mayor and the Metropolitan Cathedral, the ladies selling sweet gorditas (proper name escapes me just now) are not to be missed for a simple, traditional snack. I found that the weekend taco and antojito vendors on the Plaza just to the east of the Cathedral, by the Plaza Mayor museum are really great - just watch out for the salsa verde: it was bien rica pero se pica mucho!

At the opposite end of the Plaza, down about 2 blocks to Calle Uruguay, take a right and walk about two more blocks to Panaderia La Ideal. They have a second floor showroom of wedding and quinceanera cakes worth the trip alone. The bakery has every manner of pan dulces and wonderful breads. If you're lucky they'll have some of their breads woven and decorated to look like little caimanes ... fresh water alligators.

Out the door and to your right again, walk all the way to Lazaro Cardenas - a huge boulevard. Turn left at Cardenas and either one or two blocks up is the Churreria El Moro. Open 24/7, and covered to the eyebrows in blue and white glazed tiles, it serves three styles of hot chocolate and freshly made churros.

Behind the Metropolitan Cathedral is a bar called Las Sirenas, with rooftop seating. The margaritas are crisp and the view is wonderful - it looks out over the excavations of the Aztec Templo Mayor.

Going up Calle Tacuba, running west from the Met Cathedral, you will find Las Girasoles and the Cafe Tacuba. Girasoles will be featuring the traditional foods of the season. It is a lovely place, the duck in blackberry mole (not entirely traditional, that one) is yummy, and the Margaritas de Tamarindo are lethal.

Cafe Tacuba is quaint, the food is good - enchiladas, etc. It was a favorite b'fast spot of Frida Kahlo's.

South a block or two to Calle Cinco de Mayo puts you at the Bar La Opera and the Dulceria de Celaya - both dating to the era of Porfirio Diaz. La Opera is the quintessential gentleman's lunching establishment (women are welcome), and there are still a few bullet holes in the elegant stamped tin ceiling said to have been put there by Villa when he and his troops arrived in the DF and he rode, literally, in for lunch. It is claimed there are photos to prove it. Their watercress salad is suberb.

If, however, you are looking for something quite haute, then either the Zona Rosa for Tezka (owned by Juan Mari Arzak or Arzak in San Sebastian, Spain; Chef was Bruno Oteiza), or in Polanco for Izote (Patricia Quintana's restaurant). Both do, I believe have web presences, and both are wonderful.

I would also heartily recommend the food stalls in Mercado La Merced ... it is to the east and south of the Palacio del Gobierno on the Plaza Mayor. However, Mexico City can be quite dicey off the main paths, and I feel leaving that to your best judgment is appropriate. I go myself w/o hesitation, but I do know others (Mx nationals as well as foreigners) who have been relieved of money, documents, etc.

And if you do not make any of these places, you will still have wonderfual food. Mexico is just a fabulous food country.

Regards,

Theabroma
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 10:34 AM

I will be in Mexico City by the end of June. Any good place to eat not to be missed? Also, I have heard story about MC and how tourists are the easy target of crime/scam. Is it really that bad? What is the best transportation getting to Condessa from the airport. Thanks.
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 11:18 AM

You might find some helpful hints here
Eating in DF

Regarding crime. Tourists are always an easy target of crime or scam no matter where you travel. Have your smarts about you and you'll be fine.
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 11:31 AM

What is the best transportation getting to Condessa from the airport.  Thanks.


While it's true, as Shelora says, that crime happens everywhere, one does have to be particularly vigilant in Mexico City.

Especially when it comes to taxis.

DO NOT HAIL CABS ON THE STREET.

When you arrive in Mexico City, follow the signs to the taxi stand. The way it works is that you purchase a chit, or voucher, from the cashier, and then you get into an authorized cab. From your hotel, always have them call a cab for you. And when you are finished doing whatever you're doing, have the restaurant or shop or whatever call another cab.

We were just in DF and had a great time. We took a cab from el centro out to Izote, and our cab driver waited for us to finish, so that worked out.

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Posted 05 June 2006 - 11:50 AM

You might find some helpful hints here
Eating in DF


Also this thread: DF/Taxco
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 11:58 AM

While certainly not exhaustive, my thread of my trip has some MC dining with photos.

I never really felt unsafe there. One needs to be careful like any big city. The taxi advice above is very good.
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 03:07 PM

I guess I like a little edge to my life, I always hail cabs on the street. Never by myself mind you and never at night. I love those VW bug taxis!
If staying in DF for a few days, we usually plan out a longer distance trip in the city. We accomplish this by hiring a car and driver - usually through the hotel. It's brilliant and very affordable, except during New Year's Eve and NY's day, when neither brilliance or affordability enter into the scenario. But that is another story.

Edited by shelora, 05 June 2006 - 03:09 PM.