Posted 06 December 2003 - 02:35 PM
Posted 06 December 2003 - 02:36 PM
Posted 06 December 2003 - 02:46 PM
Not sure about Nancy Silverton either. Her recipes don't work for me. There are many bad bread books.
Ones I would recommend are Dan Lepard's Baker and Spice.
Joe Ortiz The Village Baker
and then various semi-professional ones such as Prof Cavel, and ones such as "Special and Decorative Breads". I've just got Cresci, which looks fantastic, but not baked from it yet (Pannetone here I come).
Also Dan Wing's "Bread Builders", but that is more about building the oven.
Of course there are always the various bread units in egCI..
Posted 06 December 2003 - 04:47 PM
I've only tried one thing out of The Bread Bible but it worked terrifically. The pugliese.
How about the new bread bible book?
In Dan Lepard's book for Baker & Spice, my Hot Cross Buns are a slight variation of his. Delicious. But what I'm hoping to follow soon is the baking day Dan put on in London recently. Be sure you check out that lesson on eGCI. Their results look fantabulous.
"I'm bringing pastry back"
Posted 06 December 2003 - 06:14 PM
Posted 06 December 2003 - 11:54 PM
I third The Bread Baker's Apprentice. That is the beauty of it. Bread recipes do not always work perfectly as written. No recipe does. You can have different yeast, Miami vs Denver climate differences, among others. You start with a basic recipe, then you refine it. The whole idea behind being an apprentice is to learn by doing. The first few may not come out quite right. But if you read the book, somewhere in there you will get the info you need to get it right down the road. It teaches you how to get what you are looking for.
It's like the little old ladies that make bread every day. They know how to compensate for the differences in temperature, humidity, and seasonings.
Plus it is a gorgeous book. If it's for someone who is really interested in learning bread, and not just how to make bread, it is a perfect choice. If you are looking for recipes, there are hundreds. The basics are in The Bread Baker's Apprentice or in How To Cook Everything.
Posted 08 December 2003 - 03:06 AM
How serious are you about baking and what type of bread are you interested in? This info will help in giving a recommendation. For serious regular sourdough bakers I found "The Bread Builders" to be the best combination of technical and pratical info for maintaining a starter and baking at home. Fields' book is good for Italian breads and the Ortiz book covers a wide range of styles. The Silverton book is impratical for home bakers altho I've found that the recipes that I've tried worked.
As a professional baker I can say Reinhart's frequently recommended "The Bread Bakers Apprentice" is a major let down. God help the students of Johnson and Wales if they're learning how to shape bread as he demonstrates in this book. That would really be sad. It really bothers me that he would call the book "The Bread Bakers Apprentice" when rather than do a one week stage where he actually would have baked bread, he preferred to do a crash tour of several bakeries so he would have more time to sightsee and shop. For christ sake if your not even capable of being an apprentice for one week you can't really be serious about baking, much less teaching baking.
I can still remember quite clearly the expression I received in return for asking a French head baker what his apprenticeship was like. His look said: you would be ground down into the finest dust if you experienced only five minutes of what I went thru. He mumbled something like, "one hundred hours a week in the shit for no money." If you could see the the speed, rhythm, precision and consistency with which he shapes bread you would understand what it means to be a baker.
It really depresses me to see the crap technique and faulty logic that Reinhart is peddling to an unsuspecting and ignorant public. For example: How is it possible that you include a photograph of how to score a baguette which is actually the perfect example of how not to score a baguette? How do you charge $35 for a book and include full color photos of old and stale bread? How do you make the centerpiece of your book Gosselin's method for baguettes when the version you present is so mangled it bears no relation to what Gosselin actually does? Why coin phrases like "delayed fermentation method" when there are already common words in the baking lexicon which accurately describe this technique, other than to give your misunderstandings the veneer of newness and uniqueness? I could rant on and on...
I'm glad people are getting good or better results from this book, and I'm sure there are many worthwhile things in it, but eventually if you become more serious you will quickly run up against its limitations, mistakes and confusions. I suggest you start elsewhere.
Posted 08 December 2003 - 08:30 AM
The bread I ended up with after all the fuss, was hardly worth the trouble. I can imagine that this book might help a commercial baker get started, but it's a disaster -- as well as a massive waste of time and money -- for the home baker.
I don't think I've baked any bread, save for pizza dough, at home since that fiasco.
Posted 08 December 2003 - 07:40 PM
The Taste of Bread
just about every other book is good for idea generation only.
ps. check out glezer's "artisan baking across america." it's a beautiful and well researched book. also check out "the book of bread" by assire. no recipes but it is by far the most beatuful bread book i've ever seen.
am i over limit?
Edited by artisanbaker, 08 December 2003 - 07:42 PM.
Posted 08 December 2003 - 08:33 PM
From those who don't like it, what are its specific faults? Shaping has already been mentioned - could you give some more info regarding how Reinhart is poor in this area?
(I own the book, and have been looking forward to trying some things out of it - just haven't gotten arround to it yet.)
And, since I own the book, glad also to know that some much more experienced bakers than I have been getting good results from it. Would just like to know a bit more about its faults I guess.
Oh - didn't it also win some fairly major awards - IACP maybe?
Posted 09 December 2003 - 02:15 PM
well, i'll preface this by saying that peter reinhart was my bread instructor when i went to the california culinary academy.
i can't bash the guy as this was my first experience baking bread in my life. let's just say i learned a lot...and i learned a lot of what not to do...
for a beginner, i would recommend anything by beth hensperger ("bread for all seasons", "bread", etc.), she's easy to read, the books are cheap and i think they cover the basics (very basic, basics).
for a little more in depth with regard to european/italian bread: the il fornaio baking book is pretty good.
and of course, baking with julia...from which you can move on to get books by the people who contributed to the series.
Posted 09 December 2003 - 06:01 PM
Posted 09 December 2003 - 06:44 PM
Posted 09 December 2003 - 07:18 PM
I just ordered this one today on Amazon based on hearing tons of great things about it. By the way, I found the Amazon marketplace to be an incredible resource for cooking - and all other books actually! When you look up a book, it tells you the Used and/or New price next to it. Then you can buy the book directly from a person. Sometimes they're used, but almost always in good to excellent condition. I've bought 3 books that way in the last few weeks.
I got the Carol Fields book for $8 and it normall sells for $25. I got the Il Fornaio Baking Book on there for $4 and its like-new condition. Just thought I'd remind everyone of this great resource.
Posted 10 December 2003 - 09:57 AM
Posted 24 August 2004 - 08:43 AM
-"Bread Alone", by Daniel Leader
-"King Arthur Flour Baker's Companion"
-"Bread Bible", by Rose Levy Beranbaum
-"Baking Illustrated", by Cook's Illustrated
Any comments? Thanks
Posted 24 August 2004 - 11:26 AM
Posted 24 August 2004 - 11:45 AM
Depends on the sort of bread you wnat to make...
I think you need more serious semi-professional books.
Reinhart "The Bread Bake's Apprentice" is often reccomended
Dan Lepard's "Baking with Passion", and he is publishing a new book "Hand made bread" this autumn
Joe Ortiz "Village Baker"
Massari/Zoia "The art of Levened Dough for Pannetone and other italian sweet bread
Then the is the eGCI sourdough course http://forums.egulle...showtopic=27634
There is only so much you can learn from books, The best way is to jesy keep practicing - bake every week for a year, and you will be getting there, or go and work a stage or two at a bake shop...
Posted 24 August 2004 - 12:06 PM
Posted 24 August 2004 - 12:34 PM
However I would start with Crust and Crumb.
Posted 24 August 2004 - 01:33 PM
BTW, if you choose to purchase a copy of Nancy Silverton's La Brea Bakery, be prepared to order commercial sourdough starter (homemade starter is okay, but it lacks Lactobacillus sanfranciso, which is the essential bacteria unique to providing truly authentic Bay Area sourdough bread w/ its characteristic flavour.) You can also hope to obtain proven cultures by either begging or buying from your acquaintances. The real secret is to combine potato starter w/ the San Francisco starter when you mix the dough. The robust potato culture will make your loaves light, whlie the flavourful but wimpy San Francisco culture gives the bread its proper tang. King Arthur Flour in Vermont will be happy to sell you their sourdough wheat & rye starters; but I think that they are shipped only in the cooler months, from Nov. to May.
Further to Silverton: She's very artisanally minded on the subject of the most advantageous yeast to use; she disdains active dry yeast, saying that it makes bland-tasting bread. She functions in a strong sourdough mindset, which is thoroughly justifiable in her commercial position.
A veritable treasure-trove of breadmaking knowledge is Bernard Clayton's New Coimplete Book of Breads. This volume is highly recommended.
I have been making bread for the past 25 years, having learned the basic skills from my father who baked 99 hand-shaped loaves per day in woodfired brick ovens for several years in the 1940s.
Posted 24 August 2004 - 08:50 PM
Posted 05 September 2004 - 12:33 PM
Posted 05 September 2004 - 01:32 PM
It also has ratings for the recipes from 'easy' to difficult'.
Posted 05 September 2004 - 03:09 PM
Posted 06 September 2004 - 07:03 AM
Just the opinion of someone who owns lots of bread books
Edited by KyleW, 06 September 2004 - 07:05 AM.
Posted 12 September 2004 - 02:22 PM
Posted 12 September 2004 - 07:27 PM
"The Taste of Bread" by Calvels is most often quoted on the Bread Bakers Guild of America site. I haven't read it yet but hope to soon. "Baking with Julia" by Dori Greenspan is very nice as well. "Beard on Bread" by James Beard is a great resource as well.
Nancy Silverton's Breads of La Brea Bakery and Raymond Calvels Le Gout du Pain ( The Taste of Bread ).
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