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#1 Ed Hamilton

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Posted 03 July 2004 - 01:26 PM

I recently read somewhere that if you're drinking white rum you might as well drink Bacardi since they're all the same.
There are huge differences in white rums made from molasses. All molasses-bases rums are distilled to a high proof but then some are aged and some aren't.
Flor de Cana white is a good example of an aged white rum but if you like that one, you owe it to yourself to try Brugal white, and Barcelo Gran Blanco, another of my favorite white rums and both of these are made in the Dominican Republic.
For me, Matusalem is a neutral spirit and in fact, they're advertising to vodka drinkers as a premium rum.
As much as I like Cruzan, I don't go out of my way to drink their white rum.
The rums from Puerto Rico are required to be aged at least a year but they tend to be lighter than those from Central America and the Dominican Republic.
When I'm in Puerto Rico I drink Don Q white and coconut water with ice. Now that's a drink!
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#2 Jason Perlow

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Posted 03 July 2004 - 02:24 PM

Yeah, I was the dumbass that said that. :laugh: But I think that adage primarily goes for the industrially made white rum products, not the stuff from smaller producers. And if you are using it in a sissy drink like a daquiri you won't taste the nuances between producers either. To me, Bacardi White, Captain Morgan White, Don Q and and number of other mass marketed white rums taste the same. Obviously you are going to get a lot of variation if you are using locally made molasses, or if you are using different grades. For example the white rum from New Orleans Rum, which uses blackstrap molasses, tastes totally different from Bacardi or from most commercial rums I have had.
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Posted 03 July 2004 - 02:35 PM

Molasses makes a difference, but the some of the small distillers age their white rums longer and then carbon filter it to remove the color gained while the rum was in the barrel. Water also makes a big difference, some distillers go to great lengths to purify, recify and reduce their local water to simple H2O, other distillers are blessed with a bountiful supply of tasty natural water that simply tastes better.

Other factors that make a difference are the proof of the spirit in the aging barrel, type of filtering used to remove the color, and of course the quality of the product being aged. Some white rums aren't far from vodka. Once you've tasted good white rum, you'll be spoiled.
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#4 Jason Perlow

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Posted 03 July 2004 - 02:39 PM

Interesting, I basically avoid buying white rums (unless its Rhum Agricole, and thats a whole different ballgame) unless I have the ability to sample them first. I was able to taste the N.O. rum, which is why I bought it. I still prefer the aged stuff.
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Posted 07 July 2004 - 09:28 AM

I agree that Flor De Caña ® Rums - Slow-aged for an incredibly smooth taste. www.flordecana.com compare with Brugal. :raz:

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Posted 07 July 2004 - 08:28 PM

I just bought Ron Matusalem Platino and am loving it. It was between that and Flor de Cana. Any of the insightful posters wanna let me know if I made a boo boo or not.

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Posted 08 July 2004 - 10:47 AM

I would be surprised if you didn't like Platino, that is, if you like white rum. Matusalem is owned in part by Skyy spirits, who brought you Skyy vodka and they are marketing this rum to premium vodka drinkers. Platino is a very dry light rum with a citrus and floral body with coconut oil on the finish.
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Posted 22 July 2004 - 11:13 AM

Interesting, I basically avoid buying white rums (unless its Rhum Agricole, and thats a whole different ballgame)

Do you know where in NYC I can get Rhum Agricole? And what makers are available and which ones of them are the best?
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#9 Jason Perlow

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Posted 22 July 2004 - 11:16 AM

Interesting, I basically avoid buying white rums (unless its Rhum Agricole, and thats a whole different ballgame)

Do you know where in NYC I can get Rhum Agricole? And what makers are available and which ones of them are the best?

Its virtually impossible at this juncture. Rhum St. James is the only one I have been able to find in NYC, and it really doesn't taste like Rhum Agricole because its distillation process is unique.

There will be some french Rhums avaliable toward the end of the year, but not until then.
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Posted 22 July 2004 - 11:45 AM

How come? Political reasons?
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Posted 22 July 2004 - 12:07 PM

How come?  Political reasons?

The companies are extremely small and produce a very small amount of product -- most of it is consumed in the Caribbean. Additionally the bottles and the labels also do not conform to US bottling and labeling standards and thus new packaging had to be designed -- for example the 500ml and 700ml bottles are not approved for use in the US. The approval process is currently underway for several brands of Rhum Agricole (white and rhum vieux) from Martinique that will be avaliable in the states in late '04 and early '05 -- most of these will come in bartender-size 1 Liter (1000ml) bottles which are used in Europe as well as the US, so that the distilleries do not need to retool.
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Posted 22 July 2004 - 06:19 PM

Thanks. I'll be in Jamaica in a couple of months. Maybe I can find it there. Out of curiosity, can you describe what is special about it? I got some Barbancourt's 9 year. Not bad but I imagine also not terribly enlightening about the white variety of rhum agricole.
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Posted 22 July 2004 - 07:33 PM

Thanks.  I'll be in Jamaica in a couple of  months.  Maybe I can find it there.  Out of curiosity, can you describe what is special about it?  I got some Barbancourt's 9 year.  Not bad but I imagine also not terribly enlightening about the white variety of rhum agricole.

Rhum Agricole is made from pressed cane juice. This differs from basically all other rums which are made from molasses, which is a by product of sugar refining.

Barbancourt, which is from Haiti and not Martinique, is not a Rhum Agricole because it doesn't have the flavor profile of a Rhum Agricole -- its heavily processed and refined to the point where those characteristics are no longer in the rum. Rhum Agricole has a "primitive", unprocessed flavor to it that is very hard to describe, but once you've tasted a Rhum Agricole, you know exactly what that is. Its a cane juice flavor.

I don't think you are going to be able to find it in Jamaica. Rhum Agricole is pretty specific to the Antilles and East Indies.

When on Jamaica definitely look for Appleton 21, if you can get it for 50 bucks a bottle or less you are in good shape. Bring home some Sangster's Rum Cream as well, its very nice.
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Posted 23 July 2004 - 08:12 AM

Guess I'm feeling around in the dark here. Saw rum spelled funny while at Union Square wines etc and jumped on it. Neglected to notice the absence of agricole following rhum. Ah well. Sure to find a use for it.

I'm going to stay optimistic about Jamaica. There's a pretty active inter-island trade down there. Always surprised about the breadth of what's available.

BTW, Have you ever tasted Wray and Nephew's Berry Hill pimento liqueur?
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Posted 24 July 2004 - 07:37 AM

It is a shame that the Matusalem Platino is like a vodka...

Interestingly enough, I found out about the Skyy connection when trying to find Gran Reserva; they referred me to the local vodka rep!

It seems that a rum named after a Cuban brand should taste a little more Cuban! I love the Cuban aged white ron; I can't get enough of the pungent taste...it makes mixed drinks come alive!

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Posted 24 July 2004 - 02:02 PM

Bring home some Sangster's Rum Cream as well

I'll second that recommendation. In fact, that is the most requested Jamaican rum product at my website.

Have you ever tasted Wray and Nephew's Berry Hill pimento liqueur

This is also something to look for as it isn't imported to the US.

And forget finding rhum agricole in Jamaica, they make enough rum of their own.
In the French West Indies, you can't even find Martinique rhum in Guadeloupe and vice a versa.


Saw rum spelled funny while at Union Square wines etc and jumped on it. Neglected to notice the absence of agricole following rhum. Ah well. Sure to find a use for it.


Where is Union Square? As for what to do with white rhum agricole, search this forum for ti punch and you'll have the traditional French West Indies drink.
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Posted 25 July 2004 - 01:51 PM

Saw rum spelled funny while at Union Square wines etc and jumped on it. Neglected to notice the absence of agricole following rhum. Ah well. Sure to find a use for it.


Where is Union Square? As for what to do with white rhum agricole, search this forum for ti punch and you'll have the traditional French West Indies drink.



Union Square is in NYC, man. Are you having me on?

I'd love to find a use for this elusive rum spelled funny in the farm business but I can't need to find a use until I can get my hands on a bottle.
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Posted 25 July 2004 - 07:52 PM

Union Square is in NYC, man. Are you having me on?

No offense Ned, but I've spent the better part of the last twenty years on my sailboat in the islands, so NYC isn't the center of my universe. As for this funny spelled rhum you found can you give us a hint as to the label name? Is it dark or white? I assume it isn't Barbancourt, but I don't want to make an 'ass' of 'u' and 'me.'
Bear with us, there is a use for that rhum, but please don't mix it with Coke, that's coca-cola.
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Posted 26 July 2004 - 05:22 AM

No offense taken and sorry if any was offered. That sounds like a great life to the likes of me. Who cares where Union Square is then. It was Barabncourt's 8 year as it turns out. I have drunk it naked in a glass so far and intend to add ice next time and from there we'll see how to proceed, not far I imagine.

20 yrs on a sailboat. Man what a life. I've spent some time in the waters in and around the north and south eastern coast of Jamaica hunting for fish under the power of diesel engines. Water temp 84 degrees. No small thing when it's February in NYC. Could think of a thousand questions for you.
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Posted 26 July 2004 - 09:04 AM

Ahh Barbancourt 5 star. aka Reserve Speciale, Special Reserve. To me that is the best of the Barbancourt line. Lots of butterscotch on the palate and a lingering smoky coconut, fruit and vanilla finish.
I sip that one with a little ice or cool water. Sometimes I even add a little Cruzan Estate Diamond, stir and see how the flavors change with time. I have a small bottle of this blend on board and it consistently ranks high among fellow rum lovers. If this sounds crazy, so be it. Try it, but be warned that you might like it.
The Estate Diamond is a drier rum than the Barbancourt and they complement each other well.

Barbancourt is made from sugar cane juice and/or sugar cane syrup, depending on availability, distilled in a single-column still and then redistilled in a pot still, aged in large vats and then bottled in Haiti. At 8 years old, 5 star is smoother than 3 star (4 years old) and most of the people I know enjoy it more than the 15 year old Reserve du Domaine, the one in the fancy box.
When I do presentations, I like to introduce drinkers to the 3 star, then move to the 5 star and let them experience what aging does for a rum. But the 15 year old is a different blend and most people prefer the younger 8 year old blend. And at half the price of the older product, 5 star is a great value.

So try this one with a little water and see how the flavor opens up, but too water will kill it very quickly. I also mix this rum with a drop of ginger syrup and ice for some variety from time to time.
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Posted 29 July 2004 - 09:48 AM

And if you are using it in a sissy drink like a daquiri you won't taste the nuances between producers either.

You calling Hemingway a sissy?

I like a good daiquiri (not the blended strawberry slop served at most restaurants - just rum, lime, and syrup shaken and served in a cocktail glass), "Bacardi" cocktail (rum/lemon/syrup/grenadine), and other rum based drinks ... but, I think most of them are a little "sissy."

I guess a cuba libre or a dark and stormy are a bit more burly. But what are the macho white rum drinks?

rien

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Posted 29 July 2004 - 10:02 AM

And if you are using it in a sissy drink like a daquiri you won't taste the nuances between producers either.

You calling Hemingway a sissy?

I like a good daiquiri (not the blended strawberry slop served at most restaurants - just rum, lime, and syrup shaken and served in a cocktail glass), "Bacardi" cocktail (rum/lemon/syrup/grenadine), and other rum based drinks ... but, I think most of them are a little "sissy."

I guess a cuba libre or a dark and stormy are a bit more burly. But what are the macho white rum drinks?

rien

Mojitos, since they are mostly rum.
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Posted 29 July 2004 - 10:09 AM

Ahh Barbancourt 5 star. aka Reserve Speciale, Special Reserve. To me that is the best of the Barbancourt line. Lots of butterscotch on the palate and a lingering smoky coconut, fruit and vanilla finish.
I sip that one with a little ice or cool water. Sometimes I even add a little Cruzan Estate Diamond, stir and see how the flavors change with time. I have a small bottle of this blend on board and it consistently ranks high among fellow rum lovers. If this sounds crazy, so be it. Try it, but be warned that you might like it.
The Estate Diamond is a drier rum than the Barbancourt and they complement each other well.

Barbancourt is made from sugar cane juice and/or sugar cane syrup, depending on availability, distilled in a single-column still and then redistilled in a pot still, aged in large vats and then bottled in Haiti. At 8 years old, 5 star is smoother than 3 star (4 years old) and most of the people I know enjoy it more than the 15 year old Reserve du Domaine, the one in the fancy box.
When I do presentations, I like to introduce drinkers to the 3 star, then move to the 5 star and let them experience what aging does for a rum. But the 15 year old is a different blend and most people prefer the younger 8 year old blend. And at half the price of the older product, 5 star is a great value.

So try this one with a little water and see how the flavor opens up, but too water will kill it very quickly. I also mix this rum with a drop of ginger syrup and ice for some variety from time to time.

Had an acquaintance over who eschews drinking booze unadulterated btu the Barbancourt's was on the counter and I was committed to getting some in me. I washed some ice in highball glasses and poured off the excess water. Added a tablespoon of rose's lime then a shot and a half of barbancourt's, gave a stir. Then a squeeze of lime on top, not mixed in. Delicious. I normally make this with Appleton's.. Kind of like the Barbancourt version better.
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Posted 16 August 2004 - 12:33 PM

Hey guys, I'm new here.

Just wondering what you thought of Mount Gay Special Reserve light rum. I think Bacardi light rum is highly overrated, comparable to the way Cuervo Especial is considered good tequila.

Anyway, I've tried the Mount Gay Eclipse and think its a decent rum for the price. Not what I would consider a sipping rum, and I prefer spiced rums better (Captain Private Stock) when drinking rum and coke, so I rarely buy the Eclipse. A couple people have said the Special Reserve is good stuff, but I haven't got around to trying it.

Anyone here try it, and if so what did you think?

Oh, BTW, I would recommend everyone avoid the Mount Gay Vanilla. I was highly disappointed in that. Smelled and tasted more like marshmellow than vanilla.

Edited by alphaiii, 16 August 2004 - 12:34 PM.


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Posted 18 August 2004 - 06:15 AM

Ron Havana Club Añejo Blanco worked great for Mojitos last week. :raz: :wub: Came in a 1.14 Liter bottle, it's apparently aged 2 years, & is a bit lighter yellow coloured than the Ron Havana Club 3 Años.

I think I like it better than the 3, for Mojitos, too.

From the Canadian seller:

HAVANA CLUB AÑEJO BLANCO*
LCBO 633693 | 1140 mL bottle

Price: $ 32.35
Spirits, Rum, White Rum
40.0% Alcohol/Vol.


Made in: Cuba, Cuba
By: HAVANA CLUB INTERNATIONAL S.A.


Tasting Note
Clear with green hues; Gentle aromas of molasses with light vanilla and dried herb notes; Warm, rich textured on the palate with caramel nuances; Long delicate finish.

Serving Suggestion
In your favourite cocktail; Mojito

#26 El Ron de Cuba

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Posted 18 August 2004 - 08:08 AM

Bolivar,

I wish I could have had a little bit of the Blanco. It was the one HC rum I didn't get to try before I left Cuba; I wish I could have. I brought back to the US 1 bottle 7 anos, 1 Varadero 7 anos, 2 anejo oro, 1 anejo reserva, and 1 3 anos. I really wish I would have forgotten about the oro; it's okay, but I honestly don't like it for a sipping rum and it's too bold to substitute for a white rum...so it ends up being mixed with coke a lot...I do really enjoy the 3 anos in mixed drinks (even straight), though, so I wish I had a few more bottles...and could try your blanco!

In other news...if I want a Barbancourt rum for mixing or sipping, what should I go for? I'd like something white, if possible, or very light gold in color if only for the appearance of my drinks :raz: I just can't tell if the dark bottle means darker rum or what...lol

Thanks everyone,
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Posted 18 August 2004 - 09:04 AM

Bruce, you should devolop a friendship with someone in Canada, or better yet, Buffalo. :cool:

3 or 4 or us tried a little of the Blanco neet, it was good that way, too.

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Posted 23 August 2004 - 06:15 AM

Barbancourt does bottle a white rum but it is hard to find.
As for the colored bottle, it is often difficult to discern the color of the spirit since bottles are colored. For the distillery this serves two purposes. One, it makes the spirit look darker and Second, it reduces the problem of color changes over time. Every barrel does not yield the same color after aging so unless the distiller adds a little caramel there will be differences from in color from batch to batch.

White rums are generally considered sipping rums, but instead of Coke, I mix them with a little lime and soda, or a little ginger ale. Coke seems to mask the taste of almost everything since it is much more acidic than other mixers. Fresh fruit juice is the best.
Has anyone tried fresh mango juice and white rum?
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Posted 23 August 2004 - 08:55 AM

Just wondering what you thought of Mount Gay Special Reserve light rum.....

....Anyone here try it, and if so what did you think?

No opinions on this rum?

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Posted 26 August 2004 - 06:06 PM

Alpha,

Just wondering: is this the same as the "Mt. Gay Sugarcane Brandy"? Oddly enough, I found this at Deep Creek Lake, MD in McHenry Beverage on Rt. 219...did not expect that at all!

Bruce