Chilies/Chilis/Chillis/Hot peppers: The Topic

Shel_B · March 16, 2010

I seem to recall reading that peppers develop their heat in reaction to stress. Lack of water and high ambient and ground temperatures stress the plant and the plant, therefore, produces hotter peppers.

Perhaps because there's a greater demand for peppers these days, more commercial growing techniques are used, providing more water to quicken the pepper plants growth and, as a consequence, the peppers produced are less stressed and less hot.

In addition, there are peppers that are bred to be milder. Like you, I've found the jalapeños and serranos (especially those used in some commercial products like canned chipotles and the peppers used in some salsa) to be lacking in heat and flavor.

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Darienne · March 16, 2010

I've both heard of and experienced first-hand the "dumbing-down" of jalapenos (though I can't speak to habaneros). Pretty much every time I buy a jalapeno in the grocery store, it has no appreciable heat, and tastes mostly like a bell pepper. The explanation I've heard is that jalapenos for the grocery store market have been bred to have lower capsaicin levels in order to cater to the tastes of the mainstream population, and that if you want "real" jalapenos, your best bet is an ethnic market. Unfortunately, I live in Canada, where there is no appreciable Latin-American population, so I haven't been able to test this theory.

Try the Caribbean markets in Kensington area in Toronto.

Doodad · March 16, 2010

I have experienced this with jalapenos as well. Typically I have seen this during off season production ie winter when I assume even Florida is cool enough to not produce the same peppers as the summer heat. It has been enough that I have skipped over to other pepper varieties in the mean time. Also, Asian markets don't seem to have this issue. Their peppers taste like peppers and they have more varieties than mainstream markets.

ScoopKW · March 16, 2010

Am perhaps being punished for my dislike of bell peppers or is this something that other people have noticed ? and also why / how is this happening ? While I have already planted seedlings of actual ( i really hope) peppers, I think this is really depressing and suspicious and you know pepper plants take a while to grow.

Another vote for Latin market peppers. Peppers at the gringo grocery do not look or smell "right" to me. So I suspect hybridization. I can't speak for taste, because I buy my peppers at my local Latin market -- where they're always good, and always from Mexico. I also grow my own, but the pepper bushes are in growth mode right now, not fruiting.

One question -- what is it about bell peppers that you don't like? To me, that's kind of like saying that you like parsnips but not carrots. I've read that a LOT of people don't like bell peppers. Just wondering why.

judiu · March 16, 2010

Scoop, I certainly can't speak for everyone, but to me, bell peppers have a certain unplesant bitterness, especially the green ones, and I find that any bell pepper, event the ripe red ones, give me dreadful indigestion if they are not peeled of the heavy skin. I can taste them for days. I enjoy roasted peppers, and love pimento cheese, but can NOT eat peppers raw. :wacko:

Richard Kilgore · March 16, 2010

This has been the case here in all mainline grocery stores for about five years. Not like a bell pepper, but exceptionally mild. I buy mine instead in Hispanic or Asian markets. These bred-to-be-mild jalapenos are also what's used in many, if not most, Mexican-American/Tex-Mex restaurants; you could load a quarter of a pound of sliced jalapenos on an order of nachos and not notice much heat in many of these places.

egale · March 16, 2010

I know exactly what you are talking about. Because of this I buy my chiles at a local Asian market (when I buy them at all). For the last several years I've grown my own. In high summer when it's hot the plants produce hundreds of chiles. (I'm talking about five plants.)

I freeze the surplus for use throughout the rest of the year. Chiles freeze really well. Lay them out on a baking sheet and place in the freezer so they freeze individually. Then pop them frozen into a ziploc bag and keep the bag in the freezer.

The nurseries in the LA Area sell little chile plants such as Thai Dragon, Serrano, and Cayenne that produce the real thing. If little plants are not available in your area you can order seeds from Evergreen Seeds: Chiles

Good luck! I know how frustrating bland chiles can be.

budrichard · March 19, 2010

This has nothing to do with seasons or growing conditions but is due to one thing only as already correctly Posted, its the Texas A&M, usually called a TAM that is dumbing down all our hot peppers. They started with the poblano where now most poblanos rarely have any heat and have worked thier way to the jalapeno, where some of them might as well be bell peppers. Once in a while I can find some jalapenos with heat at SuperMercado but poblanos with heat are in the past!-Dick

eatrustic · March 21, 2010

I gave up buying Jalapenos a couple of years ago for that very reason. Luckily most places sell the smaller Serranos alongside the Jalapenos and they (so far) have kept a pretty decent heat level and are now my go-to for a relatively hot green chili.

Katie Meadow · March 21, 2010

Jalapenos for the last ten years at least in northern CA have been insipid. Even Serranos at the markets are lackluster. At the Berkeley Farmers market for the last few years I have been buying Pimiento de Padron peppers, which are becoming more common, at least around here. The heat typically varies wildly, with most individual peppers being on the sweet side, but about 10 or 20% in each bunch having a swift kick. There is also one Latino vendor with great Poblanos. In June and July they are flavorful but pretty mild, then they get hotter into late September. We're not talking Hatch NM hot, but definitely not bland. Most grocery-store poblanos seem to remain mild all season long.

You can still get scorchingly hot chile in New Mexico; friends of mind brought back, roasted and froze, a large quantity of Hatch peppers and, to my now subdued CA palate, any more than a teaspoon would render a large pot of beans inedible. I don't even remember the typical Hatch chile when I lived in NM being as hot as this batch. I must be turning into a wimp.

HungryC · May 31, 2012

I have some mulato chiles...can anyone suggest a good use of mulatos? TIA

Dakki · June 1, 2012

Anywhere you'd use ancho or pasilla, really.

Salsa borracha is a good use.

rod rock · June 3, 2012

Drunk salsa (salsa borracha) my suggestion!

Toliver · March 9, 2015

Switch to serranos. The Food Police haven't dumbed them down (yet).

Thanks for the Crepes · March 11, 2015

Are you guys who are complaining about no heat in jalapenos cutting out the seeds and membranes?

Tonight I made a pico de gallo/salsa to go with warmed tortilla chips with one tomato, one large (4" long) jalapeno from the chain grocery, lots of cilantro and a little onion, salt and pepper. I cleaned out the seeds and membranes from half the pepper, but reserved them in case I wanted to add them after tasting more. I didn't need anymore heat, and the garbage disposal wound up getting the extra seeds and membranes.

Granted grocery store jalapenos are nowhere NEAR as hot as the ones I used to grow, but practically no one else but me could eat them.

I agree that grocery store peppers have become more tame over the years, but so has my aging self. :smile:

I still love the flavor of jalapenos, and I find it quite different than sweet bells even when all the seeds and membranes are discarded.

We have a huge population of Latino immigrants in my area, and I shop at a chain that caters to them, so that might explain why the jalapenos I have access to still pack heat and flavor.

TylerK · March 11, 2015

Rather than new pepper cultivars is it possible they've switched to hydroponically grown produce? It's becoming more common and not always advertised as such. If peppers produce flavour and heat from stress then the conditions of a hydroponic greenhouse, perfectly tailored to give maximum yield might produce some pretty insipid chillies.

rotuts · March 11, 2015

if you look into a modern 'seed' catalogue, such as ' Totally Tomatoes ' there are cultivars of popular hot peppers,

ie jalapenos and serranos. you pick a heat level and then go from them. this has been developing for years

I used to grow both J's and S's and one year both mild and hot versions of each. under the same environment

they both did indeed come out mild and hot.

" White Bread " markets seem to buy the milder cultivars. as I no longer grow peppers, I get mine at an indian market and they

tell you how hot they are.

weedy · March 12, 2015

Rick Bayless said, years ago now, that the supermarket 'dumbing down' of Jalapenos has made them so inconsistent (and unreliable in terms of having any heat, or flavour really) that, unless you grow them yourself and know, he recommends Serranos as a replacement across the board

I've not seen the issue with habaneros at all though.

They vary in terms of flavour (rather than heat), probably because of climate and shelf age, but they remain hot every time I see them.

there are some chiles that look like habs but are a mild variety.... but they're not true habaneros.

TylerK · March 12, 2015

The ones I got from the supermarket last night were definitely not without heat. Even after two hours and washing my hands taking out my contact lenses was not fun.

scubadoo97 · March 12, 2015

I buy Serranos most often if I'm looking for some heat with that green pepper flavor

Norm Matthews · March 13, 2015

I made some tacos the other night and put half a jalapeno in some guacamole and a little or the remainder in the meat as it was cooking. It didn't taste hot at all when it was raw but the meat had some real spice to it when I tasted it. I don't know if it was the jalapeno or something else I added but I never noticed it being that spicy before.

rotuts · March 13, 2015

BTW in the White Bread markets that have jajapenos, or serranos, Ive never seen a label suggesting any sort of heat:

hot, mild, or nada.

in the indian market they do indicate the heat Hot and Mild.

just saying

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JoNorvelleWalker · April 15

Last night a friend took me to an Oaxacan restaurant, or at least a Mexican restaurant owned by an Oaxacan. I had chile relleno. Quite good. If I had to guess I'd say the pepper was poblano. But this was in Princeton, not Puebla. Years ago the restaurant owner mentioned half the population from his small town in Oaxaca now live in Princeton. He once told me most of his supplies and ingredients came from upstate New York.

Katie Meadow · April 15

37 minutes ago, JoNorvelleWalker said:

Last night a friend took me to an Oaxacan restaurant, or at least a Mexican restaurant owned by an Oaxacan. I had chile relleno. Quite good. If I had to guess I'd say the pepper was poblano. But this was in Princeton, not Puebla. Years ago the restaurant owner mentioned half the population from his small town in Oaxaca now live in Princeton. He once told me most of his supplies and ingredients came from upstate New York.

Yeah. I grew up with hot green chiles from Hatch, NY.