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Am I a plebeian or are black tomatoes a thing?


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Was doing some shopping the other day and saw black tomatoes - first thought was, “Oh, that’s no good” - I backed up for a closer look and realized Oh no - they’re supposed to be that way ! Heh whoops 😳

 

I do a fair amount amount of produce shopping in various markets / stands / etc - at least I thought I did ... never seen them before! How far behind the produce times am I? 

 

I would have have gotten a photo but it was the one day of course I didn’t have my phone with me 😞 

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5 minutes ago, CatIsHungry said:

Was doing some shopping the other day and saw black tomatoes - first thought was, “Oh, that’s no good” - I backed up for a closer look and realized Oh no - they’re supposed to be that way ! Heh whoops 😳

 

Several producers market them through produce departments here. It has been a number of years. If you scroll down on ths link you will see Black Krim. Laurel is a local grower of the plants for sale.  https://www.heirloomtomatoplants.com/Heirloom -Tomato_Plants_Heirloom_Tomato _seeds.htm   

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Black tomatoes, white tomatoes, green zebra striped tomatoes... they're all a thing... have grown lots of off the wall tomatoes over the years... Hardly ever see 'em on store shelves.  Occasionally in a farmers market for a whole lot of money.

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@heidih and @cdh - have you tried them? What is their flavor ? 

 

LOL cdh - yes - I have seen quite the variety of tomatoes and yes again- these black tomatoes were quite expensive (especially for something I gave a first glance thinking Oh noooo ) ... 

 

Thanks for the link @heidih - I am a plebe 😉 LOL 

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Flavors are all over the place.  The black tomatoes I've grown have been pretty much indistinguishable from red ones.  They were not all black at all, anyway... they were a very dark red, with greenish shoulders... but called black.  Has somebody succeeded in breeding an evenly black tomato?  

 

Anyway, I find the yellow and white tomatoes sweeter and less acid, the green ones sweet with middling acidity, red ones are all over the place, but if you're looking for a sharper more acid tomato, it will probably be red.

 

Then again, tomato flavor depends as much on the dirt it grows in as the breed of plant... so YMMV.

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I tried Kumatos once. I've seen them a lot in grocery stores. They were a very dark reddish purple, as cdh described. I was unimpressed. I strongly prefer bright acidity in tomatoes. Campari tomatoes I like a lot. The Kumatos were blah. 

 

Now, if I were to see some Cherokee Purples or other heirloom dark tomatoes at a farmers' market, I'd try them again.

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Whether you are a Plebeian or not depends on which definition you accept: the original classical definition as a citizen who is not a member of the ruling elite; a commoner*, or the more recent derogatory sense.

 

As to black tomatoes, yes they are a thing.

 

* which I assume you are, unless there's something you're not telling us about your true identity! 😀😀😀

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14 minutes ago, liuzhou said:

Whether you are a Plebeian or not depends on which definition you accept: the original classical definition as a citizen who is not a member of the ruling elite; a commoner*, or the more recent derogatory sense.

 

As to black tomatoes, yes they are a thing.

 

* which I assume you are, unless there's something you're not telling us about your true identity! 😀😀😀

 

I am not aware of a definition other than the Roman one?

 

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This has been interesting - thanks everyone! Personally, I love almost all tomatoes - but that color is a little off-putting.

 

@JoNorvelleWalker your dinner looks delicious! 

 

LOL @liuzhou if only I could say there were something I am not telling y’all about my true identity (of course, then I’d be branded a big fat pants on fire liar) - alas - I am just a poor commoner ☺️

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plebeian, n. and a.

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B. c Having qualities, mental or physical, attributed to the lower classes; commonplace, undistinguished; vulgar or vulgar-looking, low, ill-bred, coarse, mean, base; ignoble.

 

Oxford English Dictionary

 

criteria which I'm sure @CatIsHungryfails to meet, given she joined eG, home to sophisticates across the world!

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2 minutes ago, JoNorvelleWalker said:

 

After five years of Latin I thought that was how the Romans defined it.

 

 

Only maybe uppity non-plebeians. It was as neutral as 'commoner' is today in English. But we are getting way off-topic.

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Heirloom tomatoes are fantastic.

 

Far superior to the genetically modified run of the mill supermarket varieties. 

 

From whites, to pink, purple, orange, green - nearly every color under the sun can be found.

 

Tastes range from far less acidic and neutral to extremely sweet (mostly anything bright orange, especially 'Orange Zingers' are super sweet - and my preference).

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4 hours ago, TicTac said:

Heirloom tomatoes are fantastic.

 

Far superior to the genetically modified run of the mill supermarket varieties. 

 

From whites, to pink, purple, orange, green - nearly every color under the sun can be found.

 

Tastes range from far less acidic and neutral to extremely sweet (mostly anything bright orange, especially 'Orange Zingers' are super sweet - and my preference).

Ummm.... the grocery store tomatoes are almost always hybrids not GMO. They taste like nothing oftentimes because they are picked so green and are the varieties that can withstand the abuse  of machine picking, packing and shipping. This article gives a good overview of differences between heirloom and hybrid (v. GMO)  https://civileats.com/2014/08/05/the-great-tomato-debate-heirlooms-hybrids-or-gmos/

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We have grown ( or attempted to grow) Black Krims for several years.  My wife insists they are her favorite tomato.  However, we have yet to see better than two tomatoes from a plant.  A month ago, my wife insisted she was finally swearing them off.  So when I went to pick up her plants from the plant sale yesterday, what do you think I saw?  

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34 minutes ago, donk79 said:

We have grown ( or attempted to grow) Black Krims for several years.  My wife insists they are her favorite tomato.  However, we have yet to see better than two tomatoes from a plant.  A month ago, my wife insisted she was finally swearing them off.  So when I went to pick up her plants from the plant sale yesterday, what do you think I saw?  

Gardeners are true optimists. After swearing that you'll never plant that variety again, another spring comes around and once again you're seduced by the same plant. You think, "Maybe this year will be better." I know--I've been there.

 

Black Krim is an attractive tomato (in my eyes) but in terms of flavor there are many better varieties. My sister's favorites are Green Zebra and Gold Medal, but my husband loves Prudens Purple. We grew them successfully in our garden at 7200 feet one year, but never again did I get much of a crop. Doesn't mean I didn't keep trying, though. Prudens is a big pink fruit with a fine flavor balance between sweet and acid.

 

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They aren't black, but let me put in a word for two of my favorite heirlooms: Arkansas Traveler, a sweet, red slicing tomato that's relatively low-acid and makes a marvelous BLT, and Carolina Gold, a yellow tomato that grows BIG and thus makes excellent sandwiches, or anything else you want to do with it. It is VERY low acid.

 

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15 hours ago, donk79 said:

We have grown ( or attempted to grow) Black Krims for several years.  My wife insists they are her favorite tomato.  However, we have yet to see better than two tomatoes from a plant.  A month ago, my wife insisted she was finally swearing them off.  So when I went to pick up her plants from the plant sale yesterday, what do you think I saw?  

 

a tip from my grandfather:

plant tomatoes in the poorest part of the plot - a soil that's too good results in a lot of stem/leaves, not so many tomatoes....

 

sometimes people get fertilizer happy and have huge plants but less harvest.

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