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Pronunciation of culinary/food-related terms: Why do it wrong?

Kim Shook

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heidih

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On 2/21/2014 at 10:54 PM, liuzhou said:

So how do you pronounce 'paprika'? I've heard at least two, both listed in the OED. ((ˈpæprɪkə, pəˈpriːkə) )

By the way, serious question for the 'erb sayers. Do you also say 'erbal' for 'herbal'?

No judgement. I really just wonder and there are no passing Americans here right now.

 

I grew up saying pop-rik-uh. I got confused when people said puh-pree-akuh

 

No h pronounced in herb or herbal.  Famous nationalbrand shampoo here in US - Herbal Essence - no h sound. Checked u-tube commercials - def no H. I do not recall the orgasm commercial from '98b with Dr. Ruth - amusing.

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3 minutes ago, lindag said:

Don't you just love to hear people grapple with 'Worcestershire'?

 More likely with the spelling if they’re pronouncing it correctly.

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5 hours ago, lindag said:

Don't you just love to hear people grapple with 'Worcestershire'?

My Dad calls it What's-This-Here sauce. :laugh:

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Smithy

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1 hour ago, gfweb said:

More usage than pronunciation but  Tang is a taste...twang is a sound. Damnit.

 

Some might disagree. 😉

 

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3 hours ago, Smithy said:

 

Some might disagree. 😉

 

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Some would be wrong.

 

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liuzhou

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5 hours ago, gfweb said:

More usage than pronunciation but  Tang is a taste...twang is a sound. Damnit.

 

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twang, n.2

 

1.1 A penetrating or persisting taste, flavour, or odour, usually disagreeable: = tang n.1 5.

 

OED

 

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20 hours ago, heidih said:

No h pronounced in herb or herbal. 

 

Yes, it is, by many humans, just not all that much in the US.

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heidih

heidih

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2 hours ago, Alex said:

 

Yes, it is, by many humans, just not all that much in the US.

That is why I said "here' as in mylocation L.A. USA

liuzhou

liuzhou

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2 hours ago, Kim Shook said:

The "L" in salmon bugs me, too.  As does a friend's pronunciation of "almond" - she says the "al" as in the man's name "Al' and then "mond".  

 

I heard someone pronounce almond as you describe, just today. I was going to post about it but you beat me. How common is it? I've heard it in England, too.

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heidih

heidih

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46 minutes ago, liuzhou said:

 

I heard someone pronounce almond as you describe, just today. I was going to post about it but you beat me. How common is it? I've heard it in England, too.

I only hear ah-mund except occasionally by non native English speakers. Oh and once in a while in a movie or show mockingy scripted for a hick and I;'e heard my Ausie nephew do the "al" thiong. 

haresfur

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8 hours ago, Kim Shook said:

The "L" in salmon bugs me, too.  As does a friend's pronunciation of "almond" - she says the "al" as in the man's name "Al' and then "mond".  

 

I was at a wedding in California where the bride's uncle told me he was an Amon farmer, then translated, "You would say almond." I told him, "You grow them, you get to decide how to say it."

 

eta: If I remember correctly, he used a hard A

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heidih

heidih

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1 hour ago, haresfur said:

 

I was at a wedding in California where the bride's uncle told me he was an Amon farmer, then translated, "You would say almond." I told him, "You grow them, you get to decide how to say it."

 

eta: If I remember correctly, he used a hard A

Hard farming - hard A - yes makes sense.

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liuzhou

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13 hours ago, haresfur said:

If I remember correctly, he used a hard A

 

I'm sorry but can you explain what a 'hard A' is? It is not a standard linguistic term. Only consonants are separated into 'soft'and 'hard' - eg. gauge, the first /g/ being hard and the second soft. I have never heard of a 'hard' vowel. The main categories of vowels are 'long' and 'short'.

 

I'm not saying you are wrong, but it is not the scientific term.

https://linguistics.stackexchange.com/questions/15028/am-i-using-the-right-terms-in-referring-to-soft-and-hard-vowels-and-consonan

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kayb

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So how do y’all weigh in on pecan? 
 

puh-CON

 

or

 

PEE-caan

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lindag

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Pee-CAN

Actually, now that I've given it some though, it's more like

Pee-CON.

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Smithy

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Pee CON, or Pih CON if I'm in a hurry.

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liuzhou

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39 minutes ago, kayb said:

So how do y’all weigh in on pecan? 

 

The OED gives three pronunciations pɪˈkæn, ˈpiːkæn, pɪˈkɑːn with the ' before the stressed syallable. I use the first, but many of my friends use the second and more American friends tend to use the third. Never heard /pi ˈkɑn/ (pee CON).

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...your dancing child with his Chinese suit.

 

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2 minutes ago, liuzhou said:

 

The OED gives three pronunciations pɪˈkæn, ˈpiːkæn, pɪˈkɑːn with the ' before the stressed syallable. I use the first, but many of my friends use the second and moreAmerican friends tend to use the third. Never heard /pi ˈkɑn/ (pee CON).


Irrelevant. It’s pronounced …

 

Peeeeee -

 

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Smithy

Smithy

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5 minutes ago, liuzhou said:

Never heard /pi ˈkɑn/ (pee CON).

 

For clarity's sake, I probably should have written that as pee CAHN.

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heidih

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Pecan raised praline in my mind.  I thought it was pray-lean with eual emphasis on boith syllables but I hear different versions in videos. 

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