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On 5/9/2018 at 8:41 AM, JoNorvelleWalker said:

 

The asparagus pot is too small for the back burner on my stove.  The Fissler is not at all too big but it is heavy.  I don't think I ever said too heavy.

 

OK, good luck.

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My DW and I will be celebrating a significant anniversary next month. She suggested that giving me a new knife or a nice pan would bring her pleasure. I've looked at knives and nothing zinged my strings. So I have started looking at pans.

 

Pan one:

 

Demeyere Silver7 Covered Sauté Pan 5 qt  https://www.surlatable.com/product/PRO-2756047/Demeyere+Silver7+Covered+Saute+Pan?cat=TCA-257761_Saute+Pans

 

Pan 2:

 

All-Clad Copper Core Saucepan 4 qt   https://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/all-clad-copper-core-saucepan/?pkey=call-clad-copper-core&isx=0.0.1254

 

 

I hope to add a couple of additional choices but for now this is what I have.

 

Thoughts on either of these pans?

 

ETA things in my kitchen MUST be dishwasher safe. This is an absolute. 


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4 hours ago, Porthos said:

My DW and I will be celebrating a significant anniversary next month. She suggested that giving me a new knife or a nice pan would bring her pleasure. I've looked at knives and nothing zinged my strings. So I have started looking at pans.

 

Pan one:

 

Demeyere Silver7 Covered Sauté Pan 5 qt  https://www.surlatable.com/product/PRO-2756047/Demeyere+Silver7+Covered+Saute+Pan?cat=TCA-257761_Saute+Pans

 

Pan 2:

 

All-Clad Copper Core Saucepan 4 qt   https://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/all-clad-copper-core-saucepan/?pkey=call-clad-copper-core&isx=0.0.1254

 

 

I hope to add a couple of additional choices but for now this is what I have.

 

Thoughts on either of these pans?

 

ETA things in my kitchen MUST be dishwasher safe. This is an absolute. 

 

 

I would not put that All-Clad in the dishwasher.

 

(And yes I see that WS says it is dishwasher safe.)

 

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On 5/15/2018 at 6:16 PM, Porthos said:

My DW and I will be celebrating a significant anniversary next month. She suggested that giving me a new knife or a nice pan would bring her pleasure. I've looked at knives and nothing zinged my strings. So I have started looking at pans.

 

Pan one:

 

Demeyere Silver7 Covered Sauté Pan 5 qt  https://www.surlatable.com/product/PRO-2756047/Demeyere+Silver7+Covered+Saute+Pan?cat=TCA-257761_Saute+Pans

 

Pan 2:

 

All-Clad Copper Core Saucepan 4 qt   https://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/all-clad-copper-core-saucepan/?pkey=call-clad-copper-core&isx=0.0.1254

 

 

I hope to add a couple of additional choices but for now this is what I have.

 

Thoughts on either of these pans?

 

ETA things in my kitchen MUST be dishwasher safe. This is an absolute. 

 

IMO, the Demeyere wins by a mile.  You might also consider a Demeyere Proline 5* skillet.  The newest ones are completely sealed for dishwasher use.

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1 hour ago, JoNorvelleWalker said:

 

Because of the exposed copper.

 

Thank you. It's off the list.  I've substituted the d5.


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I don't think anyone ever goes wrong with the D5s

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On 5/17/2018 at 9:10 PM, weedy said:

I don't think anyone ever goes wrong with the D5s

 

They're not the best, and the handles gripe me, but they're OK.  The basic A-C Stainless triply is IMO the best of the A-C clad lines.

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On ‎5‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 11:55 AM, boilsover said:

OK, good luck.

 

I may have to enjoy humble pie.  And I may have to act my age.  The Fissler is a beautiful pot.  How could such a tiny vessel be so heavy?  Admittedly at the moment my back is out.

 

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On 5/23/2018 at 4:54 PM, weedy said:

We disagree. 

 

I agree we disagree. 

 

I and others have tested these A-C lines.  See, https://www.centurylife.org/what-is-the-difference-between-tri-ply-and-5-ply-and-7-ply-how-many-plies-do-i-need/ and https://www.centurylife.org/cookware-even-heating-rankings-butane-propane-natural-gas-etc/ The interleaving of more steel between conductive layers doesn't seem to actually accomplish much except increase the weight of the pan, and decrease the total thickness of aluminum.  Yet make d5 less responsive.  All-Clad seemed to acknowledge their Start-Stop-Start-Stop theory about this is wrong when they switched to touting d7 as "just like cast iron except up to 30% lighter." 

 

Given all the other good possible choices, d5 is far down my list.

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I've never compared the actual performance of the two lines, but I really don't want to reward companies like all-clad for the 5-ply and 7-ply marketing nonsense. 

 

It's not too hard to imagine that the 5-ply pans could perform reasonably well. If the steel layers are thin enough, these pans would act a bit more like disk-bottom pans with thicker aluminum. Which is to say they'd be better at some things, worse at others.

 

What I like about the AC triply is that they're thin and fast, so I'm not really looking for changes here. 


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14 hours ago, JoNorvelleWalker said:

 

I may have to enjoy humble pie.  And I may have to act my age.  The Fissler is a beautiful pot.  How could such a tiny vessel be so heavy?  Admittedly at the moment my back is out.

 

 

Don't apologize, even if "heavy" is a relative term.  Fisslers tend to have slightly thicker walls than most disk-based pans, and they are mondo thick where it counts--the bottoms.  I think your pot has a 6mm core of aluminum, bonded to the 1.2mm pan body, plus whatever "Cook-Star" sheet they put on the bottom for induction.  It's probably near 8mm total bottom thickness.  The good news for you may be that the larger sizes have even thicker cores.

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My DW chose other things for my anniversary gifts. However, I was given 2 gift cards as a thank you for my years in the Southern ren faire kitchen with the instruction to buy something I wouldn't normally buy for myself. Tomorrow morning I will be picking up a Demeyere 3 quart Silver 7 sautee pan. Definitely not something I would buy for myself.

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8 hours ago, Porthos said:

Tomorrow morning I will be picking up a Demeyere 3 quart Silver 7 sautee pan.

 

Conratulations.  The combination of features (2mm copper core, TriplInduc, Silvinox) make or a great pan.  Please post a review!

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@boilsover

First use observations. I made a simple weeknight meal, coined sausage in caramelized onion and half & Half over penne ragate pasta.

 

There will be a learning curve for regulating the heat. I almost burned the onions, However, reducing the half and half was very easy to keep control of.

 

Two things did impress me.  First, the 2-layer lid really does stay cool. Being able to grab the lid handle without a pot holder was nice. Second, it cleaned up very easily, needing a little bar keepers friend because of the long caramelization time and me getting used to regulating the heat.

 

eta Besides the lid handle being cool, the design of the pan handle keeps it much cooler than most pan handles.

 

I think I'm going to enjoy this pan.


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12 hours ago, Porthos said:

Second, it cleaned up very easily, needing a little bar keepers friend because of the long caramelization time and me getting used to regulating the heat.

 

Good report.  FYI, the Silvinox treatment is quite durable, and does generally clean up easily.  Strangely, however, it hangs onto fully polymerized fats more tenaciously than do most of my other pans.  Nothing BKF or Carbon-Off can't fix, though.

 

If you like this pan, may I suggest you also consider the Demeyere double plancha, also with Silvinox?  It was >$500 ( and practically unavailable in USA) forever, and then Zwilling offered it at <$100.  It puts the fun back in griddling on a home hob, and is probably the most even heat of anything else on the market.

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Has anyone tried the new Misen cookware? I got a set of their knives, which are very nice quality at a very reasonable price. That recently came out with cookware.

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I have not tried it, but we can deduce that there isn't a lot of aluminum in it.  If it is indeed 3mm total thickness, the steel layers comprise ± 1.2mm of that.  The remaining ± 1.8mm would be two flanking layers of aluminum, each ≤ 1mm.

 

Compare with the good disk-based designs, which contains 6-8mm aluminum cores.

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