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Food Pronunciation Guide for the Dim-witted

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chefzadi

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..I hear the vowel as an "o" sound, not an "uh" or "ah" sound, but not an "o-w" sound. There is no exact equivalent in my accent/dialect of English. It's sort of half between "bone" and "bun" to me. Then again, I am no native speaker of French.

It is most definitely "bun" :smile:

Oops... lost the reference:

pronunciatiation of "bonnes" in "bonnes bouches"

Maybe I'm missing something here. Are you saying that "bonnes" is pronounced "bun"?

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gourmande

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...There is no exact equivalent in my accent/dialect of English. It's sort of half between "bone" and "bun" to me. Then again, I am no native speaker of French.

...It is most definitely "bun"...

Maybe I'm missing something here. Are you saying that "bonnes" is pronounced "bun"?

just saying that the "o" sound in bonnes (Fr) is closer to the "u" in bun (Eng) than it is to the "o" in bone (Eng). Obviously this is not directed to francophones (whatever their origin) but is intended to explain the sound to an anglophone who is unfamiliar with the pronunciation.

That said, without actually hearing how the person pronounces "bun" ...

... Here is an audio file of bonne nuit (couldn't find bonnes bouche) that gives a fair idea of how the bonne would sound in bonnes bouches

bonne nuit

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chefzadi

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...There is no exact equivalent in my accent/dialect of English. It's sort of half between "bone" and "bun" to me. Then again, I am no native speaker of French.

...It is most definitely "bun"...

Maybe I'm missing something here. Are you saying that "bonnes" is pronounced "bun"?

just saying that the "o" sound in bonnes (Fr) is closer to the "u" in bun (Eng) than it is to the "o" in bone (Eng). Obviously this is not directed to francophones (whatever their origin) but is intended to explain the sound to an anglophone who is unfamiliar with the pronunciation.

That said, without actually hearing how the person pronounces "bun" ...

... Here is an audio file of bonne nuit (couldn't find bonnes bouche) that gives a fair idea of how the bonne would sound in bonnes bouches

bonne nuit

gotcha.

i had images of people saying bun like hotdog bun. :biggrin:

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Ling

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Is "Joie" pronounced "joi" or "zhwa" (with 2 dots on the a, but I don't know how to type that in)?

The first time I ordered this wine back in March, I think I assumed that it was pronounced the French way, but since then, I've heard sommeliers pronounce it "joi" (joy) so now I'm confused.

Help?

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gourmande

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Of course, I think it's embarrassing to say a French word in English...I shudder when people talk about their Somalia Certificates. :blink:

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

I heard it pronounced that way for the first time last weekend, but with an r at the end! Yes, my B-I-L told us his daughter was taking a Somaliar course in TO ... I tried to correct their pronunciation, but to no avail... so, Somaliar it is! :rolleyes:

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MarketStEl

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Since it's food-related, how's the French hypermarket Carrefour pronounced? Most people here either call it Car-4 or Kah-Foo.  :wink:

Kah-rrrrruh-FOOH-(rrrr), the last syllable in parentheses because barely pronounced, and the "rrrrr" referring to what I call the about-to-expectorate sound at the back of the palate

Dusting this exchange off and adding a twist:

And what exactly is "un carrefour"?

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gourmande

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...And what exactly is "un carrefour"?

Technically speaking, a crossroads, junction, intersection, town square...

Figuratively speaking, the centre or hub of activity, ideas and the like.

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Is "Joie" pronounced "joi" or "zhwa" (with 2 dots on the a, but I don't know how to type that in)?

The first time I ordered this wine back in March, I think I assumed that it was pronounced the French way, but since then, I've heard sommeliers pronounce it "joi" (joy) so now I'm confused.

Help?

Hey... I resemble that remark. :raz:

And, for the record, I go by "joy". French-speaking friends call me "zhwa" (yes, with the umlaut over the 'a'). Members of my family call me "joey" and it still gets my goat. Substitute teachers even called me "joyce" and "josie". :blink:

That being said, I love Joie's first release Chard and their Year One Noble Blend. According to Michael Dinn, the future brings more new adventures in winemaking. :biggrin:

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Daddy-A

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Is "Joie" pronounced "joi" or "zhwa" (with 2 dots on the a, but I don't know how to type that in)?

The first time I ordered this wine back in March, I think I assumed that it was pronounced the French way, but since then, I've heard sommeliers pronounce it "joi" (joy) so now I'm confused.

Help?

Hey... I resemble that remark. :raz:

And, for the record, I go by "joy". French-speaking friends call me "zhwa" (yes, with the umlaut over the 'a'). Members of my family call me "joey" and it still gets my goat. Substitute teachers even called me "joyce" and "josie". :blink:

That being said, I love Joie's first release Chard and their Year One Noble Blend. According to Michael Dinn, the future brings more new adventures in winemaking. :biggrin:

To actually answer Lorna's question :hmmm: ... the winery name is pronounced "zwha". Or at least that's how Michael & Heidi pronounced it.

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Ling

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^Ok good. I still pronounce it (hesitantly) "zhwa" but if I hear the sommelier repeat back to me something to the effect of: "I love wines from Joie (joi)," then I revert to saying "joi" for the rest of the evening.

I need to work on my self-confidence. :unsure::laugh:

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chefboy24

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i would like to add

I'm pretty sure brunoise, nicoise, and vichysoise

are pronounced SWAHHZ, right? not swa?

because that is my biggest pet peeve in the kitchen, every damn cook calling it "brunwah"

right?

(I took spanish in highschool, no regrets of course, but I wish I had a firmer grasp of french pronunciation)

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Milagai

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i would like to add

I'm pretty sure brunoise, nicoise, and vichysoise

are pronounced SWAHHZ, right?  not swa?

because that is my biggest pet peeve in the kitchen, every damn cook calling it "brunwah"

right?

(I took spanish in highschool, no regrets of course, but I wish I had a firmer grasp of french pronunciation)

You are right.

The rule for French words is: if it ends in "oise" then you say the s sound.

If it ends in "ois" then the s is silent

(as per my college French classes; confirmed by my French speaking

relatives).

Milagai

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Kim Shook

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I am tossing the American Heritage Dictionary. It lists 'ex-presso' as an alternative pronunciation of es-presso, 'kul-linary' as an alternative to 'kyoo-linary' and (my own personal biggest pet peeve) 'kar-mel' as an alternative to 'ka-ra-mel'. :angry::blink::angry: ! OK. So maybe it's only me that gets all flipped out over this stuff :rolleyes: . Does anyone else out there get steamed over what you consider (because, of course, I could be totally wrong :raz: ) to be mispronunciation of words? It doesn't bother me at all when it is my mom or someone I am serving at work, but when it is a so-called professional on TV, I get sooooo pissed. I may need help here :unsure: .

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joiei

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I am tossing the American Heritage Dictionary.  It lists 'ex-presso' as an alternative pronunciation of es-presso, 'kul-linary' as an alternative to 'kyoo-linary' and (my own personal biggest pet peeve) 'kar-mel' as an alternative to 'ka-ra-mel'.   :angry:  :blink:  :angry: !  OK.  So maybe it's only me that gets all flipped out over this stuff  :rolleyes: .  Does anyone else out there get steamed over what you consider (because, of course, I could be totally wrong  :raz: ) to be mispronunciation of words?  It doesn't bother me at all when it is my mom or someone I am serving at work, but when it is a so-called professional on TV, I get sooooo pissed.   I may need help here  :unsure: .

kar-mel is a town on the california coast, not a wonderful treat. I agree with you.

oops, Carmel is a nice little touristy town in its own right, but it ain't no caramel.

edited to try to correct my mistatement.

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PopsicleToze

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It's not just you. I once called Hallmark because of an incorrect spelling on all of their cards. The cards all referred to (Boss's Day). That was NOT what I was taught when I was in school.

Imagine you're an editor for Hallmark and some unknown caller actually calls you to correct a grammatical error. I can still hear the frost in her voice, "Dear, didn't you know that the English language continuously evolves?" :blink:

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

I let these things go now without saying a word. :wink:

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alanamoana

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i don't really get pissed off when it has to do with regional inflections (i.e. pray-leen vs. prah-leen)

ex-presso is NEVER correct.

i'm not too sure about the kyoo-linary thing. i don't run around telling people i went to kyoo-linary school. it sounds pretentious to me even though it is the older pronunciation.

but correct word usage and pronunciation are important if fleeting.

on this site in particular people are constantly referring to their palate as a palette! i could go on and on, but it really isn't worth it as i'm not perfect myself.

and although language does evolve, i feel as if it should evolve to become sharp and clear as opposed to muddied and confused.

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