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Cooking at a friend's house, I used some Pam the other night.

Observations:

The non-stick properties of Pam are far superior to greasing a sheet pan with oil.

It is extremely difficult to clean after it gets baked on to the pan.

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Posted

Use parchment paper, non-stick foil or a Silpat - all of the pros and none of the cons. That's my 2 cents. Hate the spray.

Anna Nielsen aka "Anna N"

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Posted

I vote for parchment as well after basically ruining a few of my grandmother's old enameled baking sheets. Yes, I've tried barkeeper's friend and every other trick to clean them.

The only problem with parchment is that it is expensive to buy in the grocery store. I always grab a few sheets of it from work when I need them, where we get a box of 1000 sheets for about $65. And if you can get the bulk foodservice packages at a restaurant supply store (and find somewhere to store it), it also comes in a flat package instead the annoying rolls that don't lie flat like when you buy it in the grocery store.

Posted

I use it for pretty much all of my baking that doesn't specifically call for buttering/flouring the pan, or an ungreased cookie sheet, things like that.

Before going into the oven, but after loading the batter, I just wipe down the pan with a damp paper towel. I haven't had any problems with it getting baked onto the pan that way.

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Posted

there is unflavored cannola oil spray

and i high temp version of PAM, but i cant say i know what its called.

it does not polymerize at higher temp.

i use parchment paper a lot, esp. in those 'disposable' aluminum baking trays/loaf pans.

the paper comes up the sides. the pan stays clean and is reusable. i do brownies this way.

the brown parchment paper seems to better than the white: things dont stick to it as much.

but for cookies etc etc silicone mats are the way to go.

Posted (edited)

I agree with the use of Silpat mats, or the cheaper equivalent by Fox Run I wrote about in another thread, parchment and etc.

However for the intricate baking molds, Bundt pans and such, that need help to keep the contents from sticking, I use a home-made mixture that is better than any of the commercial sprays, including Vegelene, which I used to use but new formulation is not as good as the old stuff. There is something in most of the sprays that irritates my nose so I try not to use them. Possibly it's the propellant.

I'm away from home at the moment and the recipe is not on my Macbook - I will post the formula for the mix I make when I get home.

Edited by andiesenji (log)

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Posted

I just mix some light vegetable oil with half as much soy lecithin granules in the blender and use that as 'grease' for pans. The lecithin is a release agent.

I have some spray in the house and use it for a few thing. But, I am very aware that it contributes to the dirty film of dust that accumulates in a kitchen.

In terms of cleaning, I like Bon Ami.

Posted

I have not used Pam in three or four years. I use those canisters like Misto. I don't know if Pam works better but it works well enough for me. I can use any kind of oil in them. There is also bakers grease that you can mix up ahead of time. You may not like the idea of using a vegetable shortening and lard is an alternative but I don't feel very much is used In a single application and I don't use it very often, but it is another altrenative.

Baker's Grease: equal parts of Crisco shortening, oil, and flour. (For a large amount, use 1 cup each)

Beat together until light and airy. Apply with a pastry brush. No need to add flour. Keep refrigerated, covered

Posted

BTW: if you abandon using the Spray, it works very well on the business end of a Snow Blower.

I use generic canola for this. cant say if butter flavor works better.

so remember: if you have to Blow some Snow:

Spray first!

:laugh:

Posted

I have not used Pam in three or four years. I use those canisters like Misto. I don't know if Pam works better but it works well enough for me. I can use any kind of oil in them.

I bought a Misto for this purpose, but it seems like I have to pump the thing forever, and usually after no more than 30sec of spraying it turns into a thin stream of oil shooting out at high pressure..

BTW: if you abandon using the Spray, it works very well on the business end of a Snow Blower.

I use generic canola for this. cant say if butter flavor works better.

so remember: if you have to Blow some Snow:

Spray first!

:laugh:

It also works incredibly well sprayed through the flame of a lit match or fire stick to get rid of cobwebs outside. Butter flavour definitely works better here :wink:

"...which usually means underflavored, undersalted modern French cooking hidden under edible flowers and Mexican fruits."

- Jeffrey Steingarten, in reference to "California Cuisine".

Posted (edited)

Spraying in a stream instead of a mist has happened to me too but if I clean it and have enough pressure, it sprays OK. It only takes forever to pump up and not spray its best if the cap isn't tight enough and the seal isn't oily. I generally only fill it up a quarter, then when I have used it up, I put some soapy water in it and spray it , the do the same a couple times with clean water then dry and re fill with oil. It takes some putzing around to keep it working but I don't mind the work compared to the cost of Pam and the sticky residue it leaves.

It also irritates me that they advertise it as being fat free then when you read the amount needed for it to be fat free, the spray time is in milliseconds... practically. Oil is oil, it will have the same calories if it comes out of a commercial product or you pump your own.

Edited by Norm Matthews (log)
Posted

Mistos for me clog and go from a spray to a piddle in about a week, and I've had several of them. Pam leaves that nasty residue and does have that "off" taste to me as well. Sort of like that flavor from any Pillsbury dough products....

I use parchment or Silpats for baking, but for roasting, or high heat like oven fries, or greasing the intricate Bundt-type molds, Trader Joes makes an aerosol olive oil spray that cleans up much more easily, and does't have a lingering obnoxious taste. It also works well if you spritz it over the food (like potatoes, fish or breaded chicken) to do that simulated "oven-fry" thing.

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Posted

I know that I posted in another thread about this a while ago, but we use the Misto when needed, loaded with a combination of oil and grain neutral spirits (usually Smirnoff's Vodka). A bunch of pumps yields a nice even coating with no clogs, and the gadget lasts a lot longer than they used to when we used straight oil.

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Posted

I could post this in the "things I'll never do again" thread...

I foolishly used Pam recently on my old Lodge cast iron skillet when planning to toast up some naan.

Thought I'd never get the burned-on residue scrubbed off. Thanks goodness for coarse salt and lots of elbow grease.

Sometimes we don't think long enough before doing something stupid.

Posted

Add me to the "no Pam, not ever in the kitchen" camp. The only thing Pam is good for is to reduce the friction coefficient of inner tubes prior to sliding down icy hills - you go about 25% faster and quite a bit further than without it.

I use sunflower oil with a light dusting of confectioner's sugar in complicated molds, and it works beautifully for me.

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On the flat I use Silpats, and in metal tins I either butter (when bread is to be baked) or use a parchment/wax paper liner (when fruit breads are involved).

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Posted

I want to try some cooking spray, and Cook's Illustrated mentioned that PAM Professional (high heat) works very well, especially for what I'll use it for.  However, I can not find PAM Professional on the ConAgra web site.  They do have this spray available, which is also a high heat spray.  Does anyone know if these two sprays are similar or the same?  Is there any other high heat cooking spray available?  Thanks!

 ... Shel


 

  • 1 month later...
Posted

I rarely use cooking spray, but used it on a cookie sheet yesterday.  The pan now has a sticky film everywhere the food did not touch.  It will not come off with regular detergent and is sticky to the touch.  Does anyone know how to remove this from my cookie sheet?  Actually, this is the aluminum lid that used to slip on an old rectangular cake pan.  The cake pan is long gone, but use this lid as a cookie sheet occasionally.  So, it has NO non-stick surface.

 

I have attached a picture. 

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Posted

That cooking spray has been overheated and has now become polymerized. When it has happened to my cast iron before, the remedy is to put it in a very hot oven to burn it all off and re-season. I'm not positive what you would do for aluminum, my sheet pans get it here and there and I just leave it, it should not affect your cooking. You can maybe try something agressive/abrasive on it (ala Bar Keepers friend or maybe some aluminum polish) but I've had bad luck with aluminum oxidizing occasionally on some of those deep cleanings, which is much worse to me (black residue that rubs off everywhere). I'm sure someone will chime in with some better suggestions but I'm not positive there is much to be done once the oil has reached the point of being polymerized.

Posted

easy-off works but not on aluminum

 

Bar keepers works but requires a lot of elbow grease.

 

the effect you see is indeed over heating run of the mill cooking spray.  its nasty stuff if that happens

 

should you get this taken care off somehow   there is a High temp cooking spray   said to be useful for BBQ's

 

I can't vouch for it though.

Posted

I would say "live with it".   Anytime I have tried to deal with it on aluminum I have made things worse. YMMV

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Anna Nielsen aka "Anna N"

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