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Kerry Beal

Help for a Couple of Cocktail Novices (Part 1)

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So AnnaN and I are up here in the frozen north (well not so frozen - it's plus 30ºC today) and we have decided to start developing a taste for cocktails.

The ingredients we have at our disposal are limited somewhat by our location - so we hoped that by providing a list of our available spirits and such that we could get some suggestions as to what we could make.

Spirits available

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Add ins

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Other potentially necessary stuff - went from no Angostura bitters to two bottles!

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Found a cocktail shaker just yesterday - which will help a lot compared to our previous mixing techniques.

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Also haves - made some gomme syrup this am and have some 1:1 simple syrup made up.

So what do you think - can you suggest some tasty combinations with the stuff we have to work with?

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You could make a 20th Century


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Kerry,

I'd think about a Pegu Club, subbing Aperol for orange liqueur:

1 1/2 oz gin

3/4 oz Aperol

3/4 oz lime

2 dashes Angostura

Shake, strain, up

The 20th century cocktail is similar...

1 1/2 oz gin

3/4 oz lemon

3/4 oz Lillet Blanc

3/4 oz white creme de cacao

So this ratio is 2:1:1:1 - some people use 3:1:1:1 or even 6:1:1:1. There are versions with only a barspoon of creme de cacao, and one that subs Cocchi Americano for the Lillet..

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Zachary

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It's gin, Lillet blanc, crème de cacao and lemon juice. You can either go 1 1/2 for the gin and 3/4 for everything else (2:1:1:1), or 2 for the gin and 1/2 for everything else (4:1:1:1), or 2 for the gin, 3/4 for the lemon and lillet, and 1/2 for the crème de cacao.


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Kerry,

I'd think about a Pegu Club, subbing Aperol for orange liqueur:

1 1/2 oz gin

3/4 oz Aperol

3/4 oz lime

2 dashes Angostura

Shake, strain, up

Won't know until it's tried, but I wouldn't think that Aperol and lime juice would balance at 1:1.

Besides, with Aperol I'd think that the Intro to Aperol is a no-brainer, and it's very approachable for those not experienced in cocktails.

2 oz Aperol

1 oz (Beefeater) Gin

¾ oz Lemon Juice

¼ oz Simple Syrup

1 dash Angostura Bitters


Samuel Lloyd Kinsey

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That looks interesting.

Forgot to mention - I do have some Grand Marnier in my cooking stuff - pegu club could use it?

Yes, you could use Grand Marnier as the orange curaçao in a Pegu Club cocktail. But, again, I don't find that it balances with lime juice at 1:1. You will probably have to experiment with ratios to find a balance you like. My PC recipe is usually 2 oz of gin with ¾ oz each of lime juice and Marie Brizard orange curaçao, plus dashes of Angostura and orange bitters. With Grand Marnier in place of the MB curaçao, I'd probably start out by scaling back the lime to 1/2 ounce and see how that does.


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I'm not sure what you have in mind but it's been really hot and humid at my end of the province this weekend so I've been leaning towards the cold and refreshing stuff. If you get some ginger beer, you can do a Suffering Bastard. Nothing fancy but it is refreshing. If you grab some fresh mint while getting the ginger beer you can do a Gin Gin Mule, an even more refreshing drink. Another really refreshing drink I tried somewhat recently was the Oaxacan Ice Water. I don't know if using your tequila in place of the mezcal in the original would be as tasty. I think it would because the only mezcal I can get in my area isn't particularly (or at all really) smoky but the drink was still tasty to me. These aren't as fancy or crafty as most of the stuff the experts will mention but they are nice on a hot, sunny day. A trip to the grocery for some juices and maybe a little work with a syrup or two would open up a bunch of stuff from Tiki land as well. :biggrin:


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In addition to the above, here are some other options:

Gimlet is an obvious choice with the Rose lime cordial

Vesper Martini with the Lillet

Tom Collins and John Collins, which are great and refreshing summer drinks

Margarita with the Grand Marnier

Bennett cocktail (gin, lime, simple, Angostura)

Whiskey old-fashioned

Whiskey sour


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I've had a couple of versions of something called a Summer Negroni -- equal parts gin, Aperol, and Lillet (or go slightly heavier on the gin, if you like). They're very refreshing; I might like them better than regular Negronis.


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I've had a couple of versions of something called a Summer Negroni -- equal parts gin, Aperol, and Lillet (or go slightly heavier on the gin, if you like). They're very refreshing; I might like them better than regular Negronis.

Jaz - this was the first recipes I found on eG after we got the Aperol and Lillet - we made another instead with the vermouth - but I definitely have that one on my radar.

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I'm not sure what you have in mind but it's been really hot and humid at my end of the province this weekend so I've been leaning towards the cold and refreshing stuff. If you get some ginger beer, you can do a Suffering Bastard. Nothing fancy but it is refreshing. If you grab some fresh mint while getting the ginger beer you can do a Gin Gin Mule, an even more refreshing drink. Another really refreshing drink I tried somewhat recently was the Oaxacan Ice Water. I don't know if using your tequila in place of the mezcal in the original would be as tasty. I think it would because the only mezcal I can get in my area isn't particularly (or at all really) smoky but the drink was still tasty to me. These aren't as fancy or crafty as most of the stuff the experts will mention but they are nice on a hot, sunny day. A trip to the grocery for some juices and maybe a little work with a syrup or two would open up a bunch of stuff from Tiki land as well. :biggrin:

It is stinking hot and humid where we are right now - Anna's sitting on the balcony sipping an iced ginger beer right now!

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In addition to the above, here are some other options:

Gimlet is an obvious choice with the Rose lime cordial

Vesper Martini with the Lillet

Tom Collins and John Collins, which are great and refreshing summer drinks

Margarita with the Grand Marnier

Bennett cocktail (gin, lime, simple, Angostura)

Whiskey old-fashioned

Whiskey sour

The gimlet has been calling - I think it's the real reason I picked up the lime cordial (however Anna has been going on about Lime and Lager since she saw it). It might be the winner tonight - so now a little research for the best recipe.

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I've had a couple of versions of something called a Summer Negroni -- equal parts gin, Aperol, and Lillet (or go slightly heavier on the gin, if you like). They're very refreshing; I might like them better than regular Negronis.

Yael Vengroff had a variation at Pegu Club called the Spring Negroni that was very, very good -- but it was a more complicated affair involving both Bols Genever and dry gin, and both Aperol and Campari.


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It's wonderful to see an earnest appeal for advice solicit such good responses. A tribute to eG, I'd say.

How sweet do you like your cocktails? I prefer mine not sweet, so I omit the simple from the Intro to Aperol. It's a delightful cocktail. Also Aperol, seltzer, and lime is refreshing. If you can find a bottle of Campari (which should be easy), mix it with the Aperol for an odd synergy: grapefruit-like flavor. This plus some seltzer and lime to tame the sweet (to your taste) is wonderful and refreshing.

I just returned from Montreal, where Averna (and Campari, but not Aperol) was widely available. It makes a pretty good sub for Ramazzotti in a Paper Airplane (equal parts bourbon, Campari, Ramazzotti, lemon). Aperol would work fine for the Campari (and is in the original Paper Plane (Bourbon, Amaro Nonino, Aperol, lemon). Very refreshing, although perhaps a bit strong for drinking more than a couple.

You can also make a faux Gin and Tonic using Gin, Aperol and seltzer with a wedge of lime -- the Aperol providing the bitter and sweet from the tonic.


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Personally, I usually go with a 2:1 ratio of gin to lime cordial for Gimlets, but mostly because I consider them to be a low-maintenance drink, and I don't want to fight with precise measurements.

Also, if you're willing and able to acquire oranges, you can make a Bronx, then make an Income Tax to see the effect of the Angostura.

And, finally, if you're looking for something to do with the vodka and Kahlua, might I suggest a Black Russian?


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I've had a couple of versions of something called a Summer Negroni -- equal parts gin, Aperol, and Lillet (or go slightly heavier on the gin, if you like). They're very refreshing; I might like them better than regular Negronis.

Yael Vengroff had a variation at Pegu Club called the Spring Negroni that was very, very good -- but it was a more complicated affair involving both Bols Genever and dry gin, and both Aperol and Campari.

And you're gonna leave us hanging like that?


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You can use your bourbon, creme de cacao, lemon and grenadine to make a Commodore. Your brandy, grand marnier and dry vermouth to make a Burnt Fuselage. Your gin, sweet vermouth and aperol for a Contessa. Your scotch, lime and ginger beer for a Mamie Taylor. If you had some grapefruit juice, you could use it with your tequila, aperol and lime for a Refuge. With what you have to work with, the problem is going to be less "what can I make" and more how to narrow it down to a reasonable number.


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It's wonderful to see an earnest appeal for advice solicit such good responses. A tribute to eG, I'd say.

How sweet do you like your cocktails? I prefer mine not sweet, so I omit the simple from the Intro to Aperol. It's a delightful cocktail. Also Aperol, seltzer, and lime is refreshing. If you can find a bottle of Campari (which should be easy), mix it with the Aperol for an odd synergy: grapefruit-like flavor. This plus some seltzer and lime to tame the sweet (to your taste) is wonderful and refreshing.

I just returned from Montreal, where Averna (and Campari, but not Aperol) was widely available. It makes a pretty good sub for Ramazzotti in a Paper Airplane (equal parts bourbon, Campari, Ramazzotti, lemon). Aperol would work fine for the Campari (and is in the original Paper Plane (Bourbon, Amaro Nonino, Aperol, lemon). Very refreshing, although perhaps a bit strong for drinking more than a couple.

You can also make a faux Gin and Tonic using Gin, Aperol and seltzer with a wedge of lime -- the Aperol providing the bitter and sweet from the tonic.

They don't have to be sweet - but I don't like them to taste raw boozy - I guess what slkinsey calls balanced is what I'm after most.

Was hoping not to add another bottle ie the Campari since this is just a month up north. I think Tri2Cook has it right - it's narrowing down that will be the hard part.

So I'm thinking Pegu Cocktail tomorrow night - just got to decide on the correct amount of lime vs grand marnier.

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You could make a 20th Century

Tell me more.

It's gin, Lillet blanc, crème de cacao and lemon juice. You can either go 1 1/2 for the gin and 3/4 for everything else (2:1:1:1), or 2 for the gin and 1/2 for everything else (4:1:1:1), or 2 for the gin, 3/4 for the lemon and lillet, and 1/2 for the crème de cacao.

Samuel - how would you describe the taste of this? Sounds like an odd combination.

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