St.Patrick , AKA CornedBeef 2018

[FeChef]

35 minutes ago, gfweb said:

At what point does a smoked CB be classified as pastrami? Is it a matter of prior intent....or a function of location? Montreal Smoked Meat is for all intents and purposes pastrami...

In my opinion, its #1 smoked. #2 rub consist of coriander, mustard seed, black pepper, and variations of onion, and garlic powder. I leave out paprika because i find it too bitter, especially with long cooks. 

[Smokeydoke]

Just want to report that I steamed my pastrami on the InstantPot for 10 mins and it was primo! So moist and tender. If that's all my Instant Pot can do, it was worth the price of admission.

[FeChef]

35 minutes ago, Smokeydoke said:

Just want to report that I steamed my pastrami on the InstantPot for 10 mins and it was primo! So moist and tender. If that's all my Instant Pot can do, it was worth the price of admission.

You are going to want to buy new seal rings on amazon for your Instant Pot. They cost like $10 for two new ring seals. Reason i mention this is because when you steam smoked meats in the instant pot, the seal ring never gets that smell not matter how many times you run it in the dishwasher. 

[rotuts]

@gfweb

 

Shame !   for Shame !

 

""  Montreal Smoked Meat is for all intents and purposes pastrami... ""

 

MHSM is nothing like Pastrami , 

 

but I had it several times a long time ago at Schwartz's  in Montreal.

 

I thought it would be the same , but its not.   now the current Schwartz's  seems to be run by different hands , and Ive not been there

 

might be the same Rx. but can't say

 

Ive always been surprised that ive never had anything like HSM  except in Montreal and at Schwartz's

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/new-york-pastrami-v-montreal-smoked-meat/article4302539/

 

NYC Katz's is very different.

 

http://www.schwartzsdeli.com

Edited March 24, 2018 by rotuts (log)

[rotuts]

@FeChef

 

not just too lazy to get a refraction , but so lazy I won't click on Safari's Zoom In when typing !

 

 

had not thought of using Sonar !

 

Edited March 24, 2018 by rotuts (log)

[rotuts]

BTW :      Ive always though of pastrami as beef w a certain spice-mixture .

 

granted , they you get turkey P  etc

 

but w/o an initial qualifier , its beef

 

Ive never seen a navel cut , but isn't that flank ?

 

and is not brisket  the two pectoral muscles ?

[Smokeydoke]

10 hours ago, FeChef said:

You are going to want to buy new seal rings on amazon for your Instant Pot. They cost like $10 for two new ring seals. Reason i mention this is because when you steam smoked meats in the instant pot, the seal ring never gets that smell not matter how many times you run it in the dishwasher. 

 

Done. I was going to do that anyways.

[rotuts]

I took out 6 refrigerated CB's this AM to cold smoke.

 

I weighed the pouches and then the jus :

 

48 and 66 were essentially the same :  Jus was 35 % by weight of the CB + Jus.  for both times

 

and it was quite salty , which implies the CB's had lost quite a bit of salt.  a good thing I think.

 

the set-up for the cold smoke :

 

 

its 45 F and overcast.  fired-up the weber to fill blast to ' sterilize it '     500 f for about 15 M.  let cool , open.

 

 

6 CB's  w my smoker-thing-ey , using cherry pellets 

 

 

I closed the lid and kept an eye on it to make sure  the pellets did't go out,  I use a torch to get them going well first.

 

 

midway , for an hour + total time

 

Sun came out so :

 

 

put some snow on the top for the last 30 min.  the snow did not compl;etely melt

 

 

done.  the neighborhood smells really delicious !  neighbors no doubt are getting crabby.  they cannot see my backyard !

 

bagged and into the freezer

 

 

they stayed cold.  I had a small slice and it was delicious.

 

previously I smoked after a similar cook way back when at 130 because I wanted to try to keep them paasteurized

 

those were a tad dry but not too much.  mayo or a juicy tomato fixed that.

 

its colder tomorrow.  I going to do the rest that have not been Fz.  maybe 6 or so.

 

and if I remember , freeze the jus and add one Fz cube to each finished bag before I use the ChamberVac

 

Why not ?

 

this is one of my finest projects

 

If Im able next year ill add some new dried herbs from Penzey's that mimic Pastrami when I do the first step in the cooking

 

just sprinkle it on the hunks w plenty of fresh ground pepper.

 

I think smoking after the cooking , esp when cold outside , makes for a moister finished  cut

 

maybe the FzCube of Jus will also help.

 

Good Eating All Summer Long !

 

Edited March 24, 2018 by rotuts (log)

[kayb]

@rotuts -- I am confused (which is not uncommon). You say you are cold smoking, yet the wood chips emitting the smoke are on the grill rack with your meat. What is the heat source that sets them alight and keeps them smouldering? I have been unsuccessful in keeping chips smouldering w/o an external heat source (they just go out). I thought the only way to achieve cold smoke was to have fire and chips in a separate chamber and pipe the smoke into the cold smoker.

 

Enlighten me, please!

 

 

[rotuts]

the wood pellets are placed in the Smokey-thng-ey

 

its this one :

 

https://www.amazon.com/A-MAZE-N-Pellet-Tube-Smoker-6/dp/B00IXMPW5K/ref=pd_sim_86_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00IXMPW5K&pd_rd_r=KXT8R3HN0PQ2HBNTR0ZH&pd_rd_w=DDSkd&pd_rd_wg=IIh3f&psc=1&refRID=KXT8R3HN0PQ2HBNTR0ZH

 

then they are started w a torch until they really get going..    they stay smoking w no flame if you take the time to start them correctly

 

w a torch.   I have 6 - 8 packets of these , and only the pellets from old JackDaniels barrel's say to add a different pellet with them or they go out.

 

these :

 

https://www.amazon.com/BBQrs-Delight-Jack-Daniels-Pellets/dp/B000P3JMV0/ref=sr_1_2?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1521914126&sr=1-2&keywords=jack+daniels+pellets&dpID=51gnwQ3bLjL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

 

Ive done this sort of thing w aluminum foil in a roll w real my own wood chips

 

you just need to give the system enough air , but not too much so it smolders

 

lots of places say you need to soak wood chips first to get smoke

 

I don't think so.  just adjust the air w either a smoky=thing-ie above or just enough but not too many hole in your 

 

aluminum foil roll

 

it helps that its still cold here and their is snow on the ground.

 

Good Luck

 

one you get this , and the temps are right outside , you will never look back.

 

the key is to really really get the chips going first and then control the oxygen to your chosen system

[rotuts]

here is a closerlcook at the pellets :

 

 

I think these items have been getting more and more popular

 

Ive done quid a bit of woodworking in the past 

 

my Friend , a Powermatic 66 w a 5 HP motor

 

( no longer made  )  and with a razor sharp Forrest 10 " 1/4 " thick  blades 

 

these ones :

 

https://www.forrestblades.com

 

I know what Hard Fruit wood and Nut wood smells like  :  Walnut , like burnt toast etc 

 

and no , the blade did not burn the wood

 

be careful when you look for packs of pellets

 

they should be hard wood trimmings , bark and wood , ground up and compassed into the pellets you see

 

above

 

they must be food grade !

 

there are other pellets from hard wood that are used for Pellet burners in your basement for heat

 

do not get that stuff.  old socks , motor oil etc might be in them

 

but these or similar quality hardwood pellets work fine in a container or your choce

 

15 USD is not bad for the one I have , Im sure I got it for 19 !

 

there are threads on eG about this sort of thing

 

some use hardwood sawdust and those can go four hours !

 

this :

 

https://www.amazon.com/A-MAZE-N-AMNPS5X8-Pellet-Smoker/dp/B007ROPJ1M/ref=pd_sim_86_6?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B007ROPJ1M&pd_rd_r=7JN39A62GFBN8N25FNM7&pd_rd_w=LAVM4&pd_rd_wg=7JEKH&psc=1&refRID=7JN39A62GFBN8N25FNM7

 

and these 

 

https://www.amazon.com/Generator-Realcook-Attachment-Barbecue-Smoking/dp/B077TG37C6/ref=pd_sim_86_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B077TG37C6&pd_rd_r=JFHCDJASH658M471KQVY&pd_rd_w=9xIYM&pd_rd_wg=Yd9Pf&psc=1&refRID=JFHCDJASH658M471KQVY

 

with

 

https://www.amazon.com/Cherry-Sawdust-Smokers-Five-Pound/dp/B00G296MV4

 

etc

Edited March 24, 2018 by rotuts (log)

[Smokeydoke]

@rotuts you're a trooper. that's a lot of snow.

[rotuts]

@Smokeydoke

 

for LasVegas it might me

 

here , its an after thought 

 

I doubt there is 1 " left .

 

BTW

 

have you seen " Last Vegas " ?

 

I enjoyed many parts of it , and not a few others.

[Smokeydoke]

I have not seen Last Vegas, looks interesting.

 

Not used to snow, California born and raised, lived in Las Vegas for the past 8 years, going on 9.

 

But when people tell me 100F is hot, I start laughing. It'll be here soon enough.

 

Actually, I'm wondering if I can make yogurt if I just leave it outside overnight? It can be 100-105F at night in the summertime.

[rotuts]

I also grew up on The Peninsula 

 

in N CA

 

want to make Yougurt ?

 

get an iPot

 

when Amazon gives them away,

 

6 Qt duo id say.,

[Smokeydoke]

I have the 6 qt Duo.

 

I was going to do the overnight thing more as an experiment. Kinda like baking cookies in your car.

[HungryChris]

45 minutes ago, rotuts said:

I doubt there is 1 " left .

 

Glad to hear it. I was worried we'd have to leave the car out on the street until I shoveled the snow plow ridge at the base of the driveway when we return on Wed.

I think I managed to put 8 CB's in the freezer before we left. Looking forward to smoking one or 2.

HC

 

Edited March 24, 2018 by HungryChris (log)

[rotuts]

 

@HungryChris

 

 

do them all

 

while its still cold.

 

to do cold smoking

 

just saying

[rotuts]

this is an aside on this topic-ish :

 

pellet smoking after you SV your CB

 

previously I mentioned these :

 

BBQrs Delight Smoker Pellets (Variety Pack)

 

which is what Ive had for some time

 

this group is a bit different , no Orange tree pellets.

 

Ive just used mine

 

no matter

 

I needed a re-supply

 

and bought these :

 

Smokehouse Products Wood Pellets, 4-pack

 

needing computer Gafas

 

I did not realize for the price

 

26.18  w free shgipping

 

its 20 lbs.

 

of corse it now

 

$31.94

 

am I on top of things or 

 

what ?

 

 

and

 

 

 

Edited March 27, 2018 by Smithy
Adjusted Amazon links to be eG-friendly (log)

[rotuts]

I had a Trial Sandwich from my CB fz cold smoked stash :

 

 

took a bite :

 

 

sorry its a bit blurry.  Im grateful I did not fall on the floor and break my head !

 

this was extraordinarily good.

 

the smoke   ( pecan pellets , cold smoked as above.  Meat  SV  140  48 - 66 hrs , made no notes on the pack for the dif )

 

was very full flavored but not acrid in any way.

 

one of the finest sandwiches Ive ever made.

 

sourdough sandwich bread  ( TJ's n not the ' SF stuff  this comes from N.H.) , lettuce , tomato, mayo , mustard , and pecan cold smoked CB

 

I could not buy this sandwich any ware  , even NYC.

 

it suits me perfectly.   can't wait for garden ripe tomatoes  , etc.

 

Guess what's for dinner w some soup ?

 

 

 

im very much looking forward to the SV'd  TurkeyBr's that were also cold smoked.

 

Great Eating All Summer !

 

OK , Ok, Ok ,   

 

a few week only, its so good.

Edited March 28, 2018 by rotuts (log)

[heidih]

I expected piled meat coolers with the vac packed corned beef and heaps of on sale cabbages. At grocery store yesterday - Ralphs (Kroger) zip/nada. Not my favorite but thought I'd grab one to crock pot and use as seasoning/filler if price good. Times change.