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If it tastes good, not raised in unnecessary cruelty or by slave labor, not an endangered species, and not one of my 23andMe matches, I'll eat it.

 

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1 hour ago, JoNorvelleWalker said:

If it tastes good, not raised in unnecessary cruelty or by slave labor, not an endangered species, and not one of my 23andMe matches, I'll eat it.

 

 

 

Well, cattle are not an endangered species, but the amount being raised and the space that takes up involves deforestation etc could be endangering other lifeforms - including us!

By the way when you buy shrimp, for example, how do you know that slave labor wasn't involved it getting it to you. I've never seen a product in any supermarket labelled "Processed by Slaves". Doesn't mean the product hasn't been.

 

The problem is not simple as you seem to paint it.

 


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I am done with cattle and milk. The gas emissions are astounding. Avacadoes I buy if purchased from a farmer I know or a neighbor gift.(California - we do this)  Octi do trouble me a bit but I do enjy the taste/texture.Prawns  are troubling. I will only do wild and if budget allows Santa Barbara spots. The cod thing is a long standing documented issue. I think @Shelby  farms soy - perhaps she can weigh in.  Almonds are a huge issue in Caifornia - not pretty water-wise. Thoughtful shopping is the best we can do. 

 

https://oceana.ca/en/blog/fishing-cod-brink-extinction-what-lessons-can-we-learn

 

https://newrepublic.com/article/125450/heres-real-problem-almonds

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26 minutes ago, liuzhou said:

 

 

Well, cattle are not an endangered species, but the amount being raised and the space that takes up involves deforestation etc could be endangering other lifeforms - including us!

By the way when you buy shrimp, for example, how do you know that slave labor wasn't involved it getting it to you. I've never seen a product in any supermarket labelled "Processed by Slaves". Doesn't mean the product hasn't been.

 

The problem is not simple as you seem to paint it.

 

 

 

My doctor told me not to eat shrimp.  So I don't buy it.  When I used to purchase shrimp I did not source it from South East Asia.  Similarly I do not knowingly buy chocolate from West Africa.  Last I read Nestle has pledged to cease selling slave produced chocolate by 2020.

 

Beef, lamb, chickens, and pork I eat.  I eschew veal.  I did not say anything about global warming or destruction of the rainforest.  I prefer to avoid palm oil but I am not obsessive about it.  Not in the same category for me as, say, child slavery.

 

I stated my choices, what are yours?

 

 

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Oops forgot to link my local ginormous avocado tree  I had it in my 2011 eG food blogbigavo.JPG


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39 minutes ago, JoNorvelleWalker said:

 

My doctor told me not to eat shrimp.  So I don't buy it.  When I used to purchase shrimp I did not source it from South East Asia.  Similarly I do not knowingly buy chocolate from West Africa.  Last I read Nestle has pledged to cease selling slave produced chocolate by 2020.

 

Beef, lamb, chickens, and pork I eat.  I eschew veal.  I did not say anything about global warming or destruction of the rainforest.  I prefer to avoid palm oil but I am not obsessive about it.  Not in the same category for me as, say, child slavery.

 

I stated my choices, what are yours?

 

 

 

 

I didn't say you said anything about global warming or rainforests.  I merely said that one food choice can have effects beyond the immediate. Whether or not you buy shrimp, is irrelevant; I only gave that as an example.

My choices?

 

I always buy live, wild shrimp caught locally (in south-east Asia where I live!)  I nearly always eat the smaller shrimp/prawns because they are what I can get most easily live and from known sources, but also because they taste better.

 

Most of the "beef" I buy is actually water buffalo and I buy very little of that.

 

I don't eat avocados for the very reasons given in the article - deforestation and water diversion. Like you, I don't eat endangered species, but am aware that my food choices, even involving non-endangered species, have indirect consequences. 

 

I never eat what are usually called processed foods (although all foods are processed), so any palm oil consumption is low to negligible. I don't eat chocolate, because I don't particularly like it.

 

My only real point is that this is a very complicated issue.

 


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8 hours ago, heidih said:

I am done with cattle and milk. The gas emissions are astounding. Avacadoes I buy if purchased from a farmer I know or a neighbor gift.(California - we do this)  Octi do trouble me a bit but I do enjy the taste/texture.Prawns  are troubling. I will only do wild and if budget allows Santa Barbara spots. The cod thing is a long standing documented issue. I think @Shelby  farms soy - perhaps she can weigh in.  Almonds are a huge issue in Caifornia - not pretty water-wise. Thoughtful shopping is the best we can do. 

 

https://oceana.ca/en/blog/fishing-cod-brink-extinction-what-lessons-can-we-learn

 

https://newrepublic.com/article/125450/heres-real-problem-almonds

Very much agree. I've pretty much stopped eating beef. Lamb too is not sustainable, but we eat so little of it in America that it would be a more important consideration in some other countries. I buy wild caught gulf shrimp and try to avoid farmed fish unless it is trout from Canada or the US. It leaves us in CA with very limited variety that's sustainably fished, but I am adjusting. Twenty years ago we could buy wild salmon fresh caught on the CA coast for under $10 dollars per pound. There were also abundant fresh sardines. Neither is available any more except once in a great while.  

 

Octopus are too charming and brainy, so I don't eat them regardless. As for chocolate, the inclusion of its listing in those ten most problematic foods is worrisome. I haven't really checked out the sources of my staple chocolates, but I really should. The avocados we eat are from the farmer's market, and grown in southern CA; I just don't buy them in the off season, so they are a treat, like good tomatoes.

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