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Chris Hennes

Modernist Cuisine Forums Integration

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Welcome to those of you joining us from the Modernist Cuisine Forums!
 
We have a long history of engaging the modernist movement, dating back to reports on Heston Blumenthal's The Fat Duck in 2001, to Q&As with Blumenthal (2002), Grant Achatz (2003), Ferran Adrià (2004) and José Andrés (2005), among others. In 2004, eG Forums hosted a multi-faceted, multi-topic project covering the pre-opening activities at Alinea, where founders Achatz and Nick Kokonas discussed, among other details, the Alinea business plan, how it developed its famous serviceware and menu layout, and the design of the kitchen. Perhaps most relevant: eG Forums is where Nathan Myhrvold posted, on March 16, 2004, “I am wondering if anybody has sources for recipes for sous-vide cooking – which is to say, cooking done in sealed vacuum bags.” The genesis of the multi-volume book set Modernist Cuisine, as well as what has since been produced by the Modernist Cuisine team – including Modernist Cuisine at Home, and The Photography of Modernist Cuisine – can be traced to that moment. All of that to say how proud we are to announce our partnership with the team behind those remarkable works. 
 
The Modernist Cuisine Forums have been integrated directly into eG Forums: any search of eG Forums content will now also search forums posts that were previously made at the Modernist Cuisine Forums site, and a complete index of all recipe discussions from that site can be found here. In addition, all imported content has been tagged with the "modernist" tag to integrate it with our pre-existing modernist content, as well as with a special "Modernist Cuisine Forums" tag so that it's easy to find content previously located in those forums.
 
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