NJ Restaurants that request jackets

[Rosie]

I saw an ad for Valentino's, Park Ridge and it said "jackets requested." Do you know any other NJ restaurants that jackets are requested or required?

[glenn]

Aren't there loads of those dastardly places, or do I misunderstand the question? There's Ryland Inn, Nicholas and Benards Inn to name a few.

[Rosie]

Did you wear a jacket to Nicholas? A tie?

[glenn]

Yes, I reluctantly wore a jacket to Nicholas, but a tie is where I draw the line. And if the truth be known, except for special occasions I rarely if ever go to places that have dress requirements other than no bare feet or bare midruff.

[tommy]

And if the truth be known, except for special occasions I rarely if ever go to places that have dress requirements other than no bare feet or bare midruff.

you and me both. i specifically *don't* go to places that "request a jacket for men." luckily, there are very few, in my estimation, in NJ.

i went to an "upscale" restaurant in Brielle a few years ago. they requested a jacket. it was about 80 degrees in the place and i quickly removed my jacket and draped it over the back of my chair. the service was a joke as was the food. they simply requested a jacket for requesting jacket's sake. ridiculous and old school.

[ranitidine]

Since we are talking about New Jersey, would a bowling team jacket do? I seem to remember they used to be de rigueur at the Edison Diner.

Edited January 2, 2003 by ranitidine (log)

[ngatti]

I wear a uniform every day and consider dressing for dinner part of the thrill of eating in a nice restaurant. I also feel very uncomfortable if I perceive myself to be underdressed.

I'll suit up for Seranade, Nicholas, Ryland, Esty Street etc... Some places get the sports jacket and tie treatment (I consider that casual, but that's my problem). Wearing a jacket and a collared shirt without a tie makes me feel underdressed.

Hey, I work in a private club. We have a dress code. I'm also old.

Nick

[Taboni]

Fromagerie as well.

It actually surprises me how indignant people become when requested by any establishment to dress up a little. Maybe I am old fashioned but I usually wear a jacket when dining out almost anywhere except those places where it is obvious they would serve me in my sweatpants and wife-beater. Sure I have had unpleasant experiences like Tommy (I remember removing my jacket when in La Gavroche in London due to the temperature only to be succinctly reminded that I was in violation of their dress code)

but they have been very few and far between and to be quite honest since standards in my industry have changed regarding daily dress, it actually feels nice to dress a little for dinner.

[Rachel Perlow]

I usually wear a jacket when dining out almost anywhere except those places where it is obvious they would serve me in my sweatpants and wife-beater.

Excuse me? This may be an article of clothing of which I am unfamiliar, and I have been accused of having a poor sense of humor more than once, but perhaps there are better words to describe what you mean?

[tommy]

Excuse me? This may be an article of clothing of which I am unfamiliar, and I have been accused of having a poor sense of humor more than once, but perhaps there are better words to describe what you mean?

[Rachel Perlow]

So "tank top" would have been a more appropriate description. Thank you.

[tommy]

So "tank top" would have been a more appropriate description. Thank you.

appropriate? i don't know. it's known as a "wife-beater" in my circles.

[ngatti]

I thought it was called a Kowalski.

Did I just offend the Polish community?

Nick

[tommy]

as a polish wife beater, i'm beside myself.

when i used to be italian, i found "ginny-t" quite offensive as well.

[RockADS21]

Throughout Essex County and most of the greater tri-state alcohol circuit I concur, "wife-beater" has replaced the formerly more accepted "ginny tee".

[glenn]

it's known as a "wife-beater" in my circles.

[Rail Paul]

Throughout Essex County and most of the greater tri-state alcohol circuit I concur, "wife-beater" has replaced the formerly more accepted "ginny tee".

The NY Times used the term without comment in a Style section article over the Summer.

The following edition had a trifecta:

--editor's note apologizing to irate victims,

--fashion editor's note that the term was in widespread use among fashionistas who were unaware that anyone would take exception, and

--letters from several victims who felt personally violated by the casual use of the term and would review the issue when their therapists returned from vacation

[ngatti]

The NY Times used the term without comment in a Style section article over the Summer.

The following edition had a trifecta:

--editor's note apologizing to irate victims,

--fashion editor's note that the term was in widespread use among fashionistas who were unaware that anyone would take exception, and

--letters from several victims who felt personally violated by the casual use of the term and would review the issue when their therapists returned from vacation

"Wife Beater", or "Guinea Tee", Paul?

I can understand the upset at "Guinea Tee". The "wife beater" thing (I assume) is an extrapolation from Stanley Kowalski in Streetcar Named Desire (I never heard that particular term until today).

Wife beater? I don't get the upset, but as my wife says, "Nick, you're *such* a man!" Should I get offended at the use of the word "man" as a pejorative?

Nick

[Taboni]

Apologies if I have offended anyone with my rather casual use of a term I had assumed was understood by most not to be demeaning to women etc, etc. Now a Brioni blazer and a tank top, w.b., ginny t.....there's a fashion statement.

[ngatti]

Now a Brioni blazer and a tank top.

That's the most offensive thing I've ever heard.

Nick

[Rosie]

I think Panico's requires jackets. Anyone know for sure?

[Rosie]

La Tour in Ridgewood requests jackets. Haven't been there in a long time but I always enjoyed their food.

[Rail Paul]

Now a Brioni blazer and a tank top.

That's the most offensive thing I've ever heard.

Nick

I'm personally offended by the use of "tank top."

There's enough militarism in the world today that we don't need to introduce those terms into fashion...

[Rail Paul]

The NY Times used the term without comment in a Style section article over the Summer.

The following edition had a trifecta:

--editor's note apologizing to irate victims,

--fashion editor's note that the term was in widespread use among fashionistas who were unaware that anyone would take exception, and

--letters from several victims who felt personally violated by the casual use of the term and would review the issue when their therapists returned from vacation

"Wife Beater", or "Guinea Tee", Paul?

I can understand the upset at "Guinea Tee". The "wife beater" thing (I assume) is an extrapolation from Stanley Kowalski in Streetcar Named Desire (I never heard that particular term until today).

Wife beater? I don't get the upset, but as my wife says, "Nick, you're *such* a man!" Should I get offended at the use of the word "man" as a pejorative?

Nick

"wife-beater"

Made its way past a reporter and editor without comment, and into print. Then the S$%^ hit the fan.

I suspect many fashionistas, like foodies, politicians, military strategists, and Catholic bishops, live in worlds that are so self contained nobody considers how their internal vocabulary and reference points sound to the outside world.

Like Trent Lott or Cardinal Law, for example.

[Lady S]

Whispers in Spring Lake requires a jacket. Personally I like to dress appropriately when I go to a restaurant. If it is very casual then I will dress casually, but if the restaurant is upscale then I dress accordingly and like to see men dressed properly also.

Just as an upscale restaurant should have good food, good wine list and good service, they should also have a clientelle that dress properly. I'm European and perhaps that makes a difference.

What I don't agree with and never did is the stupid practice of making a man wear either a jacket or tie that they keep in the back of the restaurant that many other men have worn. Restaurants should inform people when they make a reservation if there is a dress code, then the client can decide if he (it's rarely a woman) wants to eat in that restaurant or go somewhere without a dress code.