Cryin out loud. I didn't see this. Thanks Richard. Okay here's the update if you haven't read it elsewhere. Out of the convent, John may be in a mental institution. Anyhoo.... Still don't have a mixer. Starting to look again. I burned out my mother's hand mixer, mine is packed away. Regardless, the business is going well enough to spend some cash to save my sanity. I still think 5 or 6 quarts is too small. 12, I think would be perfect. And it would be mine, all mine. nightscotsman, any new thoughts on the 6 quart KitchenAids? Anyone else? Also, waaay earlier, when I said I was making 116 loaves of bread, subtract a hundred.