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@Ann_T your Quiche is a thing of Great Beauty . I can actually smell it just now and its killing me !

@chromedome I agree with you. Ive noticed over time that there are very few , close to none , free internet sites that do not have an axe to grind when discussing " The Market " the WSJ Opinion page , has plenty of that too. frequently quite a bit. seeking Alpha is a good site to go to to learn terminology and dynamics of The Market.

@IowaDee you hit the nail right on the head : " little pepperoni cups glistening with tasty grease! " and that intoxicating aroma of that grease sublimating along w the aroma of " Spice " Walmart's , near me , has some of those tiny food food places : Subway , some sort of fried chicken , and pepperoni pizza they must aerosolize the pepperoni / cheese aromas and its difficult not to be beguiled. even w no slices visible.

in todays WSJ there was a short opinion piece on BYND and Faux-Meat : https://www.wsj.com/articles/plant-based-meat-is-all-hat-and-no-cattle-11572997943 for review purposes here : Beyond Meat’s stock has tumbled back to Earth after peaking at $234.90 a share in late July. The “plant-based meat” company’s stock closed at $81.45 Tuesday, and it may be the beginning of worse to come. What if the alt-meat industry turns out to be a nothingburger? Beyond Meat’s current value is six times the size of the entire fake-meat market even though the company’s market share is only 2.1%. Much of the talk about Beyond Meat’s prospects has focused on increased competition, especially from meat industry giants looking to hedge their bets. Conagra’s Gardein and Kellogg’s Morningstar Farms have established customer bases and brand recognition. In 2017 Maple Leaf Foods,Canada’s largest protein producer, acquired Lightlife and swallowed up 38% of the U.S. plant-based protein market. Now, producers including Tyson, Smithfield and JBS are joining the plant-based party. But will consumer demand for alt-meat grow, or are consumers merely trying out an expensive curiosity? There are signs of slippage. Tim Hortons has pulled Beyond Meat products from all Canadian stores outside British Columbia and Ontario. Del Taco reports sales from Beyond Meat products were down 33% in the third quarter. McDonald’s faux-burger test in Canada hasn’t been a blowout, while Popeye’s selling out of its new chicken sandwich shows demand for real meat is still high. and Plant-based burgers aren’t healthier than meat, despite their health halo. The Beyond Burger has 400% more sodium than an actual lean burger, along with roughly the same amount of calories and fat. Fake meats are ultra-processed, according to the NOVA food classification system. They can have upward of 40 ingredients, including titanium dioxide, a whitening agent used in paint and plastics, and methylcellulose, a bulking agent commonly used in laxatives. Brands such as Panera have marketed “clean food” with few or no additives. Fake meat goes in the opposite direction, and the deceptive health halo around it is a significant liability. Nearly 40% of consumers say they eat plant-based products to avoid processed foods. Will they keep eating faux meat when they find out the truth about it? Increased competition from established food companies will put pressure on startups like Beyond Meat in the short term and likely reduce margins. But more entrants doesn’t necessarily mean more demand. In 2013 “gluten-free” was the health craze. Companies left and right were adding gluten-free consumer options. As studies revealed gluten-free products weren’t healthier or necessary, except for consumers with unusual medical conditions, the trend faded away. Likewise, if consumer interest in “plant-based meat” is more curiosity than commitment, these companies could be in a serious food fight for dominance over a mere niche market. I find this ' market ' very interesting to follow. a lot of PR and psychology involved in these products . then there is this : https://seekingalpha.com/article/4302385-beyond-meat-time-buy as far as I can tell , its not a pay site. I personally think the ice is thin and Big Beef need not worry about them. they do have plenty of other things to worry about.

@robirdstx what a fantastic looking pizza ! and delivered to boot ! there is no really good pizza place near me any more. a pizza place was sold as the family retired , being there every day of the year Xcept Christmas had outstanding pixxa for a zillion years. its replacement is not worth the sodium load and more expensive the rest wrung here are mediocre when they are at the top of their game a shame it is.

@blue_dolphin if you have tasted the RSRR and like it at that price get [ based on your personal budget ] some more and keep a central coset , not near the heat is fine look for constant temps and then wait hard to do as one gets thirsty try it w a few bottles F.D. : you will go crazy in a few years you do not get mrs !

@blue_dolphin interested in your taste evaluation do they have Pueto Plata ? this wine is much better after ' airing " for some bit or do the ' pour - to-pour " method to air it out keeps well in the refrigerator w/o a cork.

My apologies : the $ 139 price is a Walmart Referbished. says so right next to the name , in the same type face

Im, pleased e.g. members are enjoying their PAG so much. I almost jumped at that $ 139 price. Im much more interested in the rotisserie attachment than just the grill. for the aromas and memories of BCk. I coud not figure out much about the vendor, and skeptic that I am , I wondered if they were returns , or what ever from Walmart ? I looked at many of the Amazon reviews , also a a grain of salt. there are plenty opt reviews that give it a minimal 1 star one had pics of the plastic melting. so I didn't jump on the PAG I am homing more info from eG members emerges.

@ElsieD when will you be getting the rotisserie attachment ? looking forward to your report as I understand it , your version came w a non-stick grill and a wider spaced not non-stick grill. any idea why one would want to use the aluminum looking grill if it sticks ? got to be for something

@mgaretz by tri-tip trimmings , I take it you mean uncooked , not leftover TT . looks so delicious. like your 2 step method.

@JoNorvelleWalker Fine Just Fine but here is my Price Point : Grill : $ 149 , free shipping , possibly not tax RoTo : $ 49 free shipping , still a possibility of no Tax Black or Green Friday or Monday is coming up Maybe JB will try to swallow his massive loss for Right Now shipping and get these two items at the nice price point I am suggesting :"" why Not ? just because "" Ill order three sets at my pride point and Ill wait a week or two to get them.

@lindag same for me. inside full flavor for the whole house etc

@Anna N I deeply understand Hunger is , what it is no Fakey Fakey prosed ' weeds ' at your local ? just as well. after all why not test food on the Canadiens ? eh ? with respect and le(s) tongue dans le(s) cheek sort of

@lindag I think you , and I might w these parameters : the grill itself : $ 199 , free shipping of course the rotisserie : $ 99 , free shipping after considering the notes on Amazon from the person , who might have not clicked in the rotisseries just saying Sooo : plenty of Amps annd Volts in your kitchen ? no matter you nwill work aournd it. as I do myself with the iPot and the CSO

googled : phillips advanced grill rotisserei attachemnet note the vids in the USA : https://www.amazon.com/Philips-Smoke-less-Collection-HD6371-94/dp/B01D6KCY4K 241 https://www.amazon.com/Philips-HD6971-00-Smoke-Less-Rotisserie/dp/B07GZ78Q4D 130 NB this comment : might be a real issue or not initially installed correctly.

@ElsieD what do you think the grill accessory is for ? smaller stiff ( shrimp ? ) non skewered that you grill , maybe turn over then serve from the GA ? I think I recall the real grill is easy to clean as its non stick ? when do you think you will be getting the rotisserie ? just saying . rotisserie chicken has a very special place in my heart and many other senses. My mother was not a great cook, yet we had home cooked meals almost all the time unless we went to Kirtks for Burgers. and a hot breakfast during the3 school year , and most of the summer my parents had a grill , California style , watt before Weber's were invented : large shallow ' pan ' for the charcoal , central piston that you could move up or down w a crank , and the grill rotated on that piston. they got a rotisserie attachment : 1`/2 circular sheet metal , w a top that the rotisserie attached to above the coals. you moved the Rotisserie shield around the grill based on Local wind conditions.m Lit the charcoal , with petrochemicals ( way before chgiumneys were created ) then plopped in the rotisserie attachment into the Hood , and turned it on two chickens , most Sat and Sundays I recall. the chickens were not perfectly balanced so the motored whines this way , then that my job was to mow the lawn w a very dull , heavy push mower. but the aromas from those chickens will haunts me in a very pleasant way. we ate outside on a BBQ table I still have . 1.25 " redwood , top and benches 1 I got a weber a long long time ago , three burner w their rotisserie attachment , In remembrance. the rotisserie unit was stolen , but ... Ill give it some thought Fond memories for me Rotiserrie Chicken. love the idea of doing it inside in the winder. outside the rest of the year should I get another of those Weber attachments. Im very much someone gets the rotisserie attachment and puts it through its paces would two chickens fit ? it seems not as it only has two pointy chicken prongs.

when is this going to be on a decent sale s the rotisserie attachment in my area ?

WoW ! I a big fan of SV for meat , understanding full well that SV doesnt do everything and has a few short comings what SV can't do , it provide the aroma that Im guessing is fabulous with an open-air PAG rotisserie the CSO is sealed , but some aroma leaks out has anyone used the PAG w the rotisserie attachment ?

as usual , no shortage of Opinion @ eG. which is usually good. so Ill add this : does one suppose that how the request was made maters ? its late , the staff is tired , the patrons might be tired : Req One : Ill have the blue cheese burger , rare , without the blue cheese . Req two : Do you have a plain burger ? ( possible but not required explanation )

I tasted the Puerta Plata https://goodcheapvino.com/puerta-de-plata-reserva-at-tjs/ next to the StickFigure , mentioned above. at the same temp , in a small pyerx bowl each directly out of the bottles , then I let the two wines sit for a while. they were very similar , good higher end red table wines. the SF had a little more fruit in the mouth , and the taste was Grapes not cherries , raspberries etc. both improved after an hour in the pyrex bowls. I used them for their larger surface area. both would be fine , for my tastes , with full flavored meat dishes and fill flavored cheese. I think in my area the SF is a dollar more. I think both would improve if you were able to keep them at a constant temp for as long as you can stand it. closet , basement , fancy-pants cellar.

@teonzo "I would be confident that the guys at Amazon know pretty well their numbers and made lots of studies before making this choice. " One would hope so. I hope so . then there is the thorny issue of shy they spent a bazillion dollars trying to make a better iPhone. they couldn't even give that away. time will tell.

this wine was sampled at Tj's the other day : it is dry , no benzene , and good mouth feel . good body . mild astringency in the finish an excellent higher end " Pasta " table wine. $ 8.99 maybe less in CA due to MA graft ? Ill try this w a bottle of Puerta Plata , a wine from Spain I got at TJ a while ago several cases. I think this wine and PP will age nicely in the basement Wine Cellar for a few years.

@Jacksoup I agree that the TB is pretty good and very handy with the advent of the iPot , I now make my own ground fresh 93 % fat turkey // some cream for ' panade ' effect // jarred tomato sauce / Italian herb blend ( Penzey's Tuscan Sunset ) that has a little fennel in it. oddly easy w the iPot , and easy to do when Im in production mode Fz in blocks and vac seal. @cdh Ill look into the Fz Lasagna next trip.

@Anna N that rib chop looks perfect betting the ' cap ' was exceptionally delicious. which got me thinking : Beef cuts are rarely referred to as ' chops ' it usually pork or lamb. maybe because pork and lamb are smaller animals , and a chop from then can be literally ' chopped ' off the larger hunk of meat w larger beef , its sliced. and just to be clear , its still early in the day