thanks for the help, fatguy. cooksquest, i've been to piccolo's, and you're right, it's spot on. it's just a hassle to get into hoboken from anywhere else but, well, hoboken. and even then it's a pain! good stuff though, that's for sure. lou, damn you and your place being so far from home. i would have been there long ago if it were closer. but, i'll consider it. i'll leave at breakfast to make it in time for lunch. do you serve magic hat #9 at 11.50 am?