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That search term brought up only three threads, this was one of them, however, it gave me a place to start and I found a few other suggestions, which include:
- let sit at room temp until you see crystallization before putting into fridge
- different molds
I've just wrapped up my chocolate making, and will revist in a few months
Thanks for the help!
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I can't get rid of that shiny spot where the chocolate first hits the mold. Here's what I've tried:
- super clean the mold
- extra polish on mold with super soft microfiber cloth
- more expensive, professional mold
- two tempering methods (bowl over hot/cold water, silk)
- bringing the mold to 90-95F
Attached photo shows my typical result (photo with 4 bars) and the best results so far (photo with 3 bars). The best result came from the mold being at roughly 90F this time. The chocolate I make is from home-roasted beans, using a little cacao butter and sugar, no other ingredients. I usually do silk tempering right in the wet grinder, but have wanted to improve the "snap", so changed recently to pouring the contents into a bowl, heating to 130F for complete melting, then chilling to roughly 93-95F, adding grated silk, mixing like crazy, then pouring into the molds, smack on the counter rapidly several times, and into the fridge to chill quickly, ~30 minutes.
I make chocolate in kitchen ambient range 60-75F, and humidity typically averages around 65%, although it can be as low as 40% or high as 80%, since I keep my windows open and live near the ocean.
Can it get any better, or is this the best one can accomplish at home?
I'm 5-6 years into this hobby and finally starting to tweak these finer points
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Thanks KB, happy to know I was on the right track there. I'll post new thread later after one more test, although, I suspect the issue is still tempering related.
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Sold locally to a home-pottery person
Apparently these things are currently on backorder!
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Hi: I temper chocolate with homemade "silk". I've found I have to rapidly cool the chocolate to prevent blooming as well as loss of temper, i.e. put it in the fridge for 30-60 minutes. I'm using the fancy pricey GP-610 tomric molds, filling each bar with ~50g dark chocolate.
Blooming always occurs if I let it set slowly at room temp, which ranges 60-75F. Does this sound right, or am I potentially doing something wrong?
I'm asking this question to help me troubleshoot another issue (which I'll bring up later if needed, trying to figure things out on my own ;))
PS: fwiw, this is a hobby, I make a few bars every couple months for fun to taste varieties of cacao I roast. Not a commercial operation.
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Hi! I purchased this Shimpo-Nidec mini slab roller to make my life easier with laminated doughs (before all the DIY and neato fancy ones started showing up on etsy), but, I'm just not using it enough and I need the space for my hobby. The Konbi restaurant in LA area uses this roller (it's orange though), check out all the videos for glimpses of it in action. I've had the Konbi pain au chocolat, and they are pretty darn tasty. They will source and sell it to you for about $1,500, although, you can get it new for $500-600 (I paid $529 for it). I'm asking $400 since it is used, but, I take very good care of my things.
The unit came with a board and canvas specifically for clay, the wood board could make shipping tricky. If you want the board and canvas, I'll include them, but I'm not sure they are food safe. If you look through the konbi videos above, you'll see they are using a custom board of sorts. I did a little prelim work here, trying to decide whether to cut my own from wood or get a plastic cutting board but never pulled the trigger on anything, had other priorities at the time. I use the board with parchment paper and it was really annoying, the paper would slide around. Once over that aggravation, the resulting doughs were excellent and much more uniform than had I rolled them out by hand.
If you are in southern california, I'm happy to meet you half-way and so I don't have to ship. I also make occasional trips to northern California bay area, and I have various conferences I attend for work in the second half of the year around the US, so I am always happy to drag it with me on the plane. I haven't figured out how to ship this thing yet.. I'll split it with you whatever it is. I really don't want to ship, so one of you in California buy this 😁
BTW, this thing works very well for inverse laminated doughs, not sure why but was so much easier than regular laminations which do take practice. Maybe it's because of the parchment paper. Here's a thread you can see my early attempts at croissant dough, having very little experience making these things. I've attached pics of my fronch apple thingies I made using inverse laminated dough and deep-fried left overs, very proud of the results! And yes, yes, one can do these by hand with a rolling pin or dowel quite well. Don't judge me.
Let me know if you have any questions
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On 6/20/2021 at 7:57 AM, RWood said:
I have no idea how it would work in sugar, but Trucolor has made a heat stable red food coloring for baking. I bought it to try for Red Velvet cake, but haven't had a need to make it yet, so I can't say what it's like. But you could research and see.
Their "liquid baking" product has carmine in it (the bugs!). I will get some, easier than making it myself, thank you for this
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@minas6907That attachment is pricey, yikes. Converting the stand mixer doesn't seem too difficult. It's more difficult to commit to NOT doing it, everything in me wants to pursue the perfect pralines for the brioche, but I'm going to have to draw the line now. I think these would be good in ice cream, too.
Taking a slight tangent, I tried two different brioche styles side by side: one more typical with milk, eggs, butter, and the other without milk with increased eggs and butter. It's so strange I could not tell the difference between the two in taste (single blind test), with only a slight color difference! Also, need to really load up on the pralines in the brioche, I thought I put in a lot but clearly not enough.
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Considering these are destined for baking, so will melt a bit, doesn't seem like there's a need to pan them. You did make me curious so I will do a little research and see if there's an easy way to do this easily at home without many tools. My first thoughts are turning the stand mixer or my wet grinder into something like this. Meantime, I'll work on technique, too, I was not shaking pan much and that would probably help reduce the rockiness.
The instructions in the video I linked to earlier talk about letting excess crystalized sugar remelt in the pan a little at the 2nd and 3rd coating stages. I did try this, and the bottom of the pan became glossy, but I couldn't get it to stick/coat the nuts anymore.
Thanks all for the advices this was fun 😁
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@RWood Perfect, thank you!
Here's my first try using the basic recipe to understand technique. I'll experiment later. Mix of almonds and hazelnuts, raw, with skin. Tastes like candy with a lot of sugar. I suspect removing skins will have little to no impact, and roasting the nuts may be too strong, but, we'll see
Next batch only change will be some corn syrup (okay sub for glucose, right?) to see what happens to texture. Also, pan with taller sides.
A fun thing to make, not overly difficult, just a generally clumsy nature means it is time to clean the kitchen 😭
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15 hours ago, AAQuesada said:
I'm sure you know this already but the book 'Let's eat France' has a nice couple pages on these including this blurb which might be of interest
I did not know, and thank you for that! Dead bugs in my amazon order 😁
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3 hours ago, jimb0 said:
perhaps. ime though a touton is generally thicker and is explicitly fried in grease (often rendered salt pork fat, but not always) while english muffins are usually dry-fried
some restaurants will also do deep-fried toutons, like a savoury yeast doughnut (though newfoundlanders find this controversial)
I fry mine on ghee or clarified butter. Makes them super amazing, especially if you push the fermentation as far as you can! I would be willing to try frying it on some duck fat, too, omg.
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Worst case scenario, grocery store by my house carries "McCormick Red" for $3.99. Yay.
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@minas6907 Great, thanks! The bit about moisture absorption is most helpful, that actually makes sense now considering other confections I've had in the past. I'll report back with results, I think I'll try with standard food coloring first to make this easy then explore making my own from pulverized bugs later.
It looks like finding food coloring for baking will need to be ordered online, the local arts/crafts stores only have stuff for icing, bummer. There's a culinary store near my sibling which carries the "Chefmaster" product line, but can't tell if it is heat stable.
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Thank you, @minas6907, that's very helpful! Regarding your note on air drying, won't they get sticky if left in the air to dry? Sugar is hygroscopic from what I've seen, and seems to suck up moisture in the air. I live very close to the ocean, with relative humidity generally ranging 50-75%.
I have one small non-stick pan, and two stainless steel pans. I'm assuming pan doesn't matter when making the pralines? I typically make dry caramel in the stainless, so, hopefully won't scorch anything. Should be fun
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On 4/18/2021 at 6:58 PM, jimb0 said:
i didn't let them proof long enough because i wanted to get dinner on the table, so they're a bit tighter and not super fluffy. but toutons fried in bacon grease still went surprisingly well with a bowl of baingan bharta
I looked these up.. aren't they pretty much english muffins? I know there are various ways to make english muffins (some people use yogurt, I follow a variation of the Model Bakery recipe, etc), but it's pretty much fully proofed dough that is pan fried... ?
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Okay, well, thanks anyway, I appreciate the help 😁. I can't find any food coloring that uses the bugs, so, I'll just have to make it, and see how it turns out. Maybe I'll try the beetroot powder as well, who knows.
I suppose this is all french. While researching, I learned the brioche Saint-Genix was the first, which is why I'm curious how they colored foods back then without red #40. Then some frenchman dude named Pralus repopularized it in the 1950s and trademarked it as the praluline. I'm debating whether to make the brioche all egg or milk + egg, I'm only made the latter but the former sounds intriguing. Here's the one my friend sent me that revealed the rabbit hole I fell into: https://www.chocolats-pralus.com/product/la-praluline-r-600g
This Pralus dude's website also has the pink pralines for sale, where they list the ingredients in french. I ran that through google translate, and it looks like they use almonds, two kinds of hazelnuts, sugar, glucose, and red #40. Which now actually brings up a few questions just out of curiosity.. 1) what's the purpose of glucose here, maybe to make the candy smoother? 2) should I roast the hazelnuts first? and 3) remove skin from almonds and hazelnuts? I wish I had more time and space so I could test all these things out myself. Roasted hazelnuts taste so much better than raw, but I've never actually baked with them.
It's also interesting this dude's pralines do not include the orange blossom or rose waters, that all the other online recipes use. Hmmm. And I just finished distilling some rose water since my citrus trees don't have any blooms right now. Phooey!
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Hi, I made at least two terminology flaws in my post, my sincere apologies.
First, I totally forgot there are multiple definitions to praline. These are not the candy brittles where you pour out a caramel sauce with the nuts and let harden, but rather, toss the nuts in a caramel until the sugar crystalizes and the nut/sugars all become their own entities. Let this cool, and repeat. Here's an example, and just your luck, this guy is making exactly what I plan to make (I will follow his technique, but may make changes to the recipe).
"High heat" - anything over boiling is high heat to me, however, I realize now that is wrong. What I meant, is, will the color stand up to the temps of sugar candy making, and baking temps of 350-450? Or maybe a better question to ask, what is the upper temp limit for carmide/cochineal coloring before it loses its color?
There are recipes that bake the pralines into breads and brioches, and that's ultimately my goal (look up "pink bread" or "praluline").
Thanks again for your time!
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Hi! My secret goal is to make pink pralines (aka rose pralines) both for eating and baking. The recipes call for red food coloring. My only experience with food coloring was a few years ago, when I attempted to make various pastries extra hippie with vegan and natural ingredients. The homemade beetroot powder was an epic failure, which looked great until baked (made the macarons look like desiccated dog doo, you know, the kind that gets left out in the grass for months). In other words, I don't know anything about food coloring and research so far has not addressed my questions.
Questions:
1. will cochineal-based food coloring hold up in high heat of making pralines, and then ultimately in baking?
2. would someone be kind enough to point me to a carmine/cochineal-based food coloring? I can't seem to find it after about 30 minutes of google searching, everything is about safety or how to make your own (which I will do if necessary)
3. what is considered an upscale brand for food coloring (doesn't matter if synthetic or natural) ?
4. how would people in the 1800s have colored the pralines pink, since that's when these things were presumably first created?
Thanks for your time
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I have a 10+ year old bamix. 150w. I actually exchanged the first one I bought for the one with the long shaft. The bamix is used for making mayo/aioli, blending soups quickly, puree canned tomatoes, and I have the small "slicey" attachment that I use to make pesto (doesn't look like the new style, however, it's different). I tried making an ice smoothie with the bamix, didn't work.
That said, I'm curious about this sharper blade.. I see it is for meats and veggies, but appears to be unavailable wherever I check. Willing to share a source?
Also, I've read your comments, and happy you and the gf are making it work. FWIW, my ex-gf had one of those ninja things from costco that had a special mug attachment to the base, which worked similar to a magic bullet. It had no issues with rolled oats in smoothies, did not try with steel cut or groats, however. Easy to clean up, etc. Her boss had a magic bullet at work and used it for peanut butter and various other ingredient smoothies. Never talked to him about it, however, I just recall she mentioned it once.
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What do you all think of wolf cookware? Someone I know is updating their kitchen, doesn't care for stainless cookware, and wants to gift me their entire set. It kind of looks like rebranded all-clad? Seems like the line is NLA.
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@Anna N Thanks, their website where I pulled the video from.
@jimb0 They talk about anodized aluminum, but call the coating "proprietary" and a "water-based release coating". Bunch of marketing fluff. So you think it's as simple as an aluminum zinc coating? Hmmm.
Why wouldn't this be more popular vs cast iron, carbon steel, stainless steel, etc? I don't see much of this kind of pan at all.
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While looking around for a 9x13 all-purpose pan to bake with, I stumbled upon the following, and I'm wondering why I can't find much more information about these or why they aren't discussed much anywhere...
IT SCRAPES IT WITH THE METAL!
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@Emily440 How did you come up with 65g of potato starch? The tapioca + corn starch in the original recipe comes to ~50g, not 65.. were you comparing starch level in white rice vs oats to make up the difference, or is there a magic formula when swapping between the starches?
That shiny drop spot on chocolate bars
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JNW: your thread from a while back is where I learned of KB's recommendation to try different molds, and her experience with the tomrics.
I found another thread, and here, the poster has tried chilling faster as well as waiting for crystallization before putting into the fridge.
It seems a lot of others with the tomric molds are having this issue. I've let mine sit overnight in the fridge before, still got the marks. This may have to do with different chilling rates between the surface exposed to fridge/ambient air, and the part touching the plastic mold, which in the case of the tomric molds, could be exacerbated by the base having that air gap, thus creating a greater insulation in addition to that of the plastic. If this is partially or wholly to blame, then a very slow chilling would be better than a fast one, but, that will be a problem with using silk as a tempering. Add to that the theories of the larger surface area of these bar molds, and of course now it's clear this isn't really going to work.
Wonder what makes the tomric molds more susceptible to this issue versus the other brands? Is it the shape of the base and the air cavity it creates? Maybe a different material?
5 years with these four molds, guess it's okay to now pick some up new ones in the interests of improving the end product. I started with using lids of reditainers, that was fun having a circular shaped mold, but a pain to wrap. I've always liked these thin break-away bars, easier to portion and share.