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  1. Bump. Should I read the above recipes (actually, Neil's recipe in particular) to call for cake flour? Or all-purpose?
  2. Mark Bittman had a piece today in the NY Times about a versatile sauce he makes from piquillo peppers (free registration required to view article). I was intrigued by the article, but it would've been nice if he'd mentioned where he buys these peppers. I'm sure they're at Fairway and perhaps Garden of Eden, but I wonder if anyone knows a place where I can buy them downtown, i.e., below Canal. I tried both Zeytuna and Jubilee Marketplace and came up empty. I'll venture up to Dean & Deluca if someone tells me they're definitely there, and for a non-outrageous price. Anyone buy these peppers downtown?
  3. I haven't been posting my recent purchases at the greenmarkets because I've been kinda bummed out that the summer favorites are gone. But yesterday at Brooklyn GAP the autumn harvest seemed to be reaching a peak. I got beautiful, HUGE broccoli and cauliflower heads, pears, fennel, celery root, and tomatillos (I guess it's late for them but they looked good). I have squash from last week so I restrained myself from purchasing more, but the variety of gourds is quite impressive. Really nice-looking delicata and buttercup squash.
  4. My copy cost $99! I didn't include it because, as you mention, it is geared toward professionals. It is a book that any baker will learn from, however, so I think you are right that it was an oversight not to include it. I also noticed a mistake in my original post. Yesterday I was making the delicious semolina filone bread on p. 124 of the Glezer book, and I happened to notice in the sourdough section that she wants you to feed your (firm) starter until it will quadruple, not triple, in eight hours. Mine would triple and then flatten out and recede a bit.
  5. I take back what I said at the outset about how the universe of serious bread books is still relatively manageable. So many books that I've never heard of have been mentioned in response to my inital post, especially in the arena of books written to train professionals! It's given me a whole new area to explore. Thanks for all the positive responses. In particular, I thank Suzanne for not mentioning my shameless abuse of the em dash.
  6. FYI: On Jackal10's recommendation, I just purchased Baking With Passion: Exceptional Recipes for Real Breads, Cakes, and Pastries by Dan Lepard from an Amazon.com discount seller for $2.50! There are a couple other used and new copies (in hardcover!) available for a similar price. (The above link gives eGullet credit for your purchase.)
  7. I'm sure you're right, Wendy. I'm definitely on the savory side of that divide. I've done some pastry stuff but I couldn't begin to describe with any depth which books are best, or even which of the books I discuss above are any good for the sweet stuff. I'm really talking above about which books are best for lean breads. And Jackal10, I'll look out for that new Lepard book! I also understand from Mamster that there'll be a new book from Dan Leader out next year. That should also be good.
  8. There have been several threads about bread books here at eGullet, but none of them has really attracted that much discussion. Our Pastry & Baking forum is blessed with many professionals who don’t really need a bread book, and I suspect they just don’t have that much use for the ones out there. But others obviously do need such books, and every so often someone starts a thread seeking info on the best bread books. It's seemed to me for a while that we ought to have some sort of resource to which a person could refer to be able to get some kind of handle on the ever-increasing, but still relatively manageable, universe of serious bread books. And so I've tried-- humbly, for the good of the community!-- to take a stab at creating such a resource here. I love bread books. I’ve become an obsessed amateur baker, pretty much just since the beginning of this year, and I learned to bake from these books. Many bread books were written by real artisans—heroes, if you will—who never had a map when they set out to bake serious bread, and who wrote their books in order to make it easier for the rest of us to follow in their footsteps. Below are a few of my thoughts on many (but by no means all-- The Bread Builders, anyone?) of the books out there. My own preferences run towards European artisan breads and sourdoughs, but the books covered below are not limited to such territory. I’m also a home baker, not a professional, and my comments come from a home baking perspective. I’ve seen a recent increase in bread-related discussion here, and I’m hopeful that we can have some good disagreement in this thread. Some of my negative opinions are firmly held—I begin below with a quick dismissal of an acknowledged classic. But most of my reviews are positive and I’m looking forward to being corrected on both the positive and the negative ones. I have organized the books in a thoroughly idiosyncratic way that makes sense to me. A. Hippies 1. The Tassajara Bread Book, by Edward Espe Brown (1970). The original Hippie bread manifesto, featuring whole grains and occasional Buddhism. An artifact of the Sixties. I’ve tried several of the breads, so you don’t have to. The recipes call for too little water, and way too much sweetener. Breads from this book come out like cloying bricks. I think this is a case in which you really had to be there at the time to get it. 2. The Laurel’s Kitchen Bread Book, by Laurel Robertson et. al (1984). This one is a whole grain masterwork, recently reprinted. It contains a splendid 25-page tutorial on making whole grain (or, really, any type of) bread. The basic method, and it is a sound one, involves thorough kneading and the careful avoidance of adding too much flour. Every bread I’ve tried from the book has worked, and the book covers every grain or bean imaginable, offering recipes and helpful guides to experimentation. Almost all of the breads follow the direct method, in which the ingredients are all combined at one time (as opposed to breads that use a “pre-ferment”-- aka poolish, biga, sponge, or starter-- in which a portion of the dough ingredients are combined ahead of time and allowed to sit at room temperature, developing flavor and improving the keeping qualities of the final bread). I haven’t tried the wild starter “desem” bread. This bread calls for cellar temperatures that never occur in my Brooklyn apartment. But the desem discussion in the Laurel’s Kitchen book was likely the best, most accurate description of wild yeast/sourdough bread available at the time. 3. Brother Juniper’s Bread Book, by Peter Reinhart (1991). Reinhart started out as a Hippie Christian charity sandwich shop owner, and his first book reflects the do-it-yourself aesthetic with which he began his bakery. At this stage of his career, Reinhart was primarily interested in adding lots of flavorings to his breads—he didn’t know any better. His Brother Juniper breads all follow the direct method. These breads seem primitive when they are compared to the breads in his later works, and Reinhart’s “slow rise” technique turns out to be neither particularly slow nor interesting. Still, his passion for bread baking is contagious, and some of the breads are surprisingly good, like his signature multi-grain Struan bread. (You can also find versions of this bread in Reinhart’s later books.) Others, like the Tex-Mex Cumin bread (i.e., lots of Tobasco sauce), are predictably bad. Overall, Brother Juniper’s Bread Book is hard to dislike, and impossible to dismiss entirely. Don’t start here, but if you like Peter Reinhart’s later masterpieces, this book is worth a read. B. Giants of prehistoric times (1970s-80s) 1. Beard on Bread, by James Beard (1973). I’ve seen people recommend this book from time to time, but I found it very disappointing. In writing this book, Beard set out to record a few favorite recipes, and to convince Americans that bread could be baked at home easily and quickly. These very limited goals may have been the right strategy for the 1970s, but today Beard’s choices limit the usefulness of his book compared to everything else that’s out there. There isn’t much in Beard on Bread that can’t be found in any general interest bread book, and any recipe that may present a challenge (e.g. sourdough, salt-rising bread, bread using a sponge/pre-ferment) is presented poorly and with a disclaimer that the reader probably shouldn’t bother in the first place. I’m no historian, but I spotted numerous errors of history in Beard’s text, and in general felt let down by Beard’s refusal to challenge himself or his readers. 2. English Bread and Yeast Cookery, by Elizabeth David (1977). Every serious baker should own this book, which is out of print but can be pretty cheaply and easily obtained. Some credit David with saving bread in England with this book in the twilight of her distinguished career as a food writer. I don’t know about that, but her book contains an excellent discussion of how flour is milled and bread is made, and also of the decline of good bread in England (and by extension everywhere else). The book also contains a wonderful selection of recipes, all of which make good, wholesome bread. These are not Village Baker-type hearth breads, but rather simple breads traditionally made by homemakers in England through the centuries. Kneading is de-emphasized, which may surprise American readers, but I can tell you I’ve tried a lot of these recipes and they work just fine. David also wanders a bit, discussing quiches, croissants, and French bread, among other things. Her chapter on French bread concludes that access to French flour is the key; consequently, she provides no French bread recipe to her English readers! I love her for this. She also includes a magnificent (and astonishingly simple) Roquefort quiche, but a surprisingly disappointing Pissaladiere. Through it all David’s prose is a joy to read, as always. The polemical introduction to the American edition by Karen Hess is also worth the price of admission by itself. 3. The Breads of France, by Bernard Clayton (1978). I’ve never been inspired to try much from Clayton’s big Complete Book of Breads, but this late Seventies work, based on his extensive travel within France, is a charmer. Clayton is a prisoner of his era: he doesn’t trust his readers to try wild yeast “levains,” so all the breads contain commercial yeast. But there are numerous sophisticated country breads with long periods of pre-fermentation. And there are some weird surprises as well, like the Fauchon “Hawaiian” coconut bread that opens the book (which I haven’t tried) and the pear/black pepper bread near the end (which I have enjoyed). There are also some nice anecdotes along the way. For instance, Clayton trudges up a random hill to meet with Richard Olney, only to be informed by the expatriate curmudgeon that the bread of the region stinks and that the only good bread to be found in the area is made in his house! There are many bread books available today that are better than The Breads of France, but the book, which was recently reprinted, is worthwhile as a historical document and it contains some good recipes. 4. The Italian Baker, by Carol Field (1985). Carol Field traveled all over Italy in much the way that Clayton covered France, and produced a masterpiece. This book must have been such a revelation in 1985, what with its wet Italian doughs, regular use of pre-ferments/bigas, and its inclusion of metric weights in addition to volume measures. Perfect Ciabatta, Pugliese, and some interesting non-traditional twists are all here, along with a host of other things. This book has been in print for nearly twenty years, and I don’t see any need for an overhaul. It’s pretty great as it is, although the beginner may want something a little broader in scope for his or her first bread book. (I can also recommend Field’s Italy in Small Bites, which contains numerous good breads as well as non-bread related snacks.) C. American Artisans 1. Bread Alone, by Daniel Leader and Judith Blahnik (1993). Daniel Leader seeks to inspire. His book contains many chapters full of entertaining stories about how he learned to bake serious artisan bread from European masters, how he built his own oven in his bread shop in upstate New York, and then impulsively agreed to let a French master build him a new oven—without any idea of what he’d be getting or how much it would cost— and about how he came to know the people who provided the wheat that went into his breads. Leader also gives tons of recipes, many for interesting breads you won’t find elsewhere; and many of these breads include significant portions of whole grain flour. There’s also a bunch of different ryes. The book has significant weaknesses: the organization stinks, his shaping instructions are relegated to a completely inadequate sidebar, yet other mundane instructions (such as how to position your oven racks) are repeated needlessly in every single recipe. He also maddeningly suggests commercial yeast be used to create a sourdough starter. But whatever. Leader has passion, the recipes are good, and he did us all a great service. Not the perfect book, but a very good one. 2. The Village Baker, by Joe Ortiz (1993). I’ve heard it said that this is the best bread book of them all. Ortiz is an American pioneer like Daniel Leader (Ortiz's shop is in California), and like Leader, Joe Ortiz made pilgrimages to Europe to learn to bake. But unlike Leader, Ortiz focuses almost all of his energies on the traditional European breads—he doesn’t devote a lot of space to unusual breads developed in America. He is also more rigorous about using European terminology and methods. The first section of the book is a tour de force description of the European craft of baking; it is a model of clarity and precision, if a little dry. There are numerous drawings to help the novice understand the lessons. I haven’t actually made many breads from this book, but I have read it cover to cover more than once, and I learned a lot from it. Ortiz offers a nice selection of traditional breads. He also includes a chapter on Germany, which is given short shrift in most other books. And there’s a long section at the back of the book giving recipes for professionals, which isn’t of great interest to me but is again unusual. 3. Amy’s Bread, by Amy Scherber and Toy Kim Dupree (1996). This book is out of print, and it is difficult to obtain at a reasonable price. At least in New York, it is available at the public library. It’s a shame that it’s out of print, because it’s a very good book. It provides very clear, comprehensive instructions on kneading, rising, and shaping dough (with pictures), and an excellent section on making your own sourdough starter. The book is not a trove of traditional breads; it provides recipes for the breads at the Amy’s Bread shop in New York City, which were created by the authors, including a bunch of different bread sticks and a selection of interesting semolina breads. Not a comprehensive book, nor should it be anyone’s first. But well worth seeking out. 4. Breads From the LaBrea Bakery, by Nancy Silverton (1996). This book is a must-own for anyone getting serious about bread. Silverton has a reputation for being something of a stickler. Her instructions are comprehensive, and she seems often to suggest that you will fail if you do not do exactly as she says. All of the breads require sourdough starter, and she provides an irresponsibly difficult and frustrating method for creating that starter. My advice (which is hardly original): take her warnings with a grain of salt, and definitely make adjustments when it comes to making the sourdough starter, or use another book for that. But once you have sourdough starter, use her recipes. They’re great. (Many are traditional breads, given a little twist or refinement by Silverton for her shop in L.A.) She has a sensitive palate, and many of her instructions seem fussy. But I’ve often found that after I try things her way I agree with her. I love her fougasse (which includes starter and commercial yeast), her potato-dill bread, and her fig-anise bread, among many others. Her formula for basic country white sourdough (which is accompanied, Laurel’s Kitchen-style, by a lengthy and helpful tutorial on bread-making) just happens to be the one that sits at the front of my head, and it’s the one I use as a default when I don’t have any other ideas or ingredients handy. D. Teachers: 1. Baking With Julia, with contributions from many bakers, written by Dorie Greenspan (1996). Every time I open Baking With Julia, I am amazed that a book covering so much baking territory contains such a comprehensive section on bread. There are very nice basic breads and then a spectacular batch of artisan breads, highlighted by a great recipe for classic French bread, a huge Pain de Campagne (contributed by Joe Ortiz), super-easy and satisfying potato loaves, and above all else a wonderful mixed starter bread from Steve Sullivan of the famous Acme Bakery. This is one of the few Steve Sullivan recipes in print, and the recipe instructs the reader in using this dough to create baguettes, wheat stalks (“epis”), and walnut bread. Dorie Greenspan does a marvelous job knitting the book together with one voice, but because the recipes come from so many sources, there isn’t enough general instruction on kneading/shaping/slashing for beginners. Still, you could do a lot worse than to start baking bread with this book, as I did. You’ll outgrow it if you get really into bread, but you’ll look back on it with real fondness. And you’ll come back to that mixed starter bread. 2. Crust & Crumb (1998) and The Bread Baker’s Apprentice (2002), both by Peter Reinhart. I would recommend either one of these books to anyone who wants to read just one book to learn how to bake serious bread. They are simply the best, most comprehensive books for the home baker. The later book gets the edge, because it covers more territory, is better organized, and contains a couple of interesting breads I really love: (1) Reinhart’s cream-colored, big-holed pain a l’ancienne baguettes, which he may or may not have picked up from a Parisian named Gosselin, and (2) Reinhart’s delicious refinement of Carol Field’s Pane Siciliano, a soft, golden, durum wheat bread given a flavor boost by the use of lengthy pre-fermentation. But both books are masterpieces, and either work can stand alone. There are great tutorials, with illustrations/pictures. You’ll also find good instructions for making sourdough/levain, and not just by one method but by several. And you’ll learn how to easily use your sourdough starter in place of pre-ferments in the breads that call for commercial yeast. There are also some inspiring stories along the way. Throughout both books Reinhart’s love of bread and teaching is palpable. Reinhart is a professional baker-turned-teacher who has really thought through the issues involved in making world-class bread at home, and it is his emphasis on making professional results available to amateurs that I think raises his work above everybody else’s. 3. Artisan Baking Across America, by Maggie Glezer (2000). I’m very fond of this book. Glezer collected recipes from many American artisans, and dragged photographer Ben Fink along with her. I bought it thinking I was getting a coffee table book. And it is that—the photos are beautiful and numerous. But I was really surprised at how serious a bread book accompanied the pictures. Glezer presents a very thorough discussion of bread-making technique at the front of her book, and helpfully organizes the recipes by difficulty. She also collects an interesting, diverse, and unusual batch of recipes. There’s much to explore in her book, including one of the few other recipes from Steve Sullivan in print, and my favorite, the huge, doughnut-shaped Tortano bread from Brooklyn’s Royal Crown bakery. I couldn’t get her sourdough system to work for me, however. She wants you to feed your starter until it will triple in eight hours. I fed and fed, but could never get mine to quite triple. But I’ve used my starter in her recipes with success, anyway, by using slightly more starter than she recommends. 4. Classic Sourdoughs, by Ed Wood (2001). Wood is a sincere soldier of sourdough. He sells a whole bunch of different sourdough starters he claims to have been given around the world. He also provides instructions for creating your own sourdough starter. These instructions are too brief but they aren’t bad. Wood isn’t a chef. He’s more of a collector. His instructions on technique are perfunctory and inadequate. His idea of kneading, for example, is to rip the dough open and force-feed it more flour. He doesn’t seem to have any idea how properly to form a loaf; most methods work well, he says, and yet he likes to bake his loaves in pans because he’s had difficulty getting free-form loaves to spread up instead of out. He views artisan baking techniques (such as retarding loaves overnight in a cooler before baking for better flavor) as fads to be debunked, because he can’t really tell the difference. His recipes come from all over the place, and tend to be a little old-fashioned, in that (like many older American recipes) they tend to rely on “improvers” like milk, butter, and sugar. Wood also has no misgivings about adding things like instant mashed potatoes or dried herbs to his breads. On the bright side, Wood’s writing voice is very likable, and he seems to have a real passion for sourdough. And the book contains a nice discussion about different types of flour (e.g., spelt, durum, kamut), all of which Wood uses in his recipes. Put this book in the curiosity file. 5. The Bread Bible, by Rose Levy Beranbaum (2003). I really like Ms. Beranbaum, alias “the cake lady.” She means well. And her book, to be fair, opens with a very solid section on kneading, shaping and baking bread. The book also contains lots of meticulous, accurate recipes for perfectly good loaves. Nevertheless I find The Bread Bible quite irritating. Beranbaum wasn’t that into bread before she decided to write The Bread Bible. She learned a lot about bread in order to write the book. She also seems hungry to make her own contribution to the field, despite her lack of experience. This inexperience combined with hubris leads her to recommend some dubious techniques. Primary among these is her one-hour sponge/pre-ferment. Her method is to include all of the water for the recipe in the sponge. She says this very wet sponge encourages fast yeast development, which enables the reader to use the sponge in as little as one to four hours. She claims this is an innovation. This is nonsense, of course. The point of a sponge is to let yeast development occur slowly, which gives the bacteria time to create flavor. Her one-hour sponge won’t create much flavor, no matter how fast the yeast multiplies, because speed is the enemy of flavor. It is axiomatic among real bread people that flavor depends on slowing down yeast development, not speeding it up. There are numerous similar critiques I could level at other Beranbaum techniques, but I’ll spare you. Instead, I’ll cite one other example of how irritating this book can be. Beranbaum presents a bread that she calls “Heart of Wheat.” She says it is her signature bread, the summation of everything she’s learned, and the last great idea she just had to try. And the bread isn’t bad. It’s just a white country bread made with a pre-ferment. But Beranbaum says the bread is worthy of comparison to a great Burgundy, and that when she eats it she is inspired to “absolute and reverential silence.” Why? Because the bread includes wheat germ. WHEAT GERM. This is presented like it’s some kind of breakthrough. And it isn’t. Nancy Silverton includes wheat germ in her white breads, and it wasn’t her idea either. Daniel Leader’s got it covered too. Take a look at Elizabeth David’s book, and you’ll find it there as well. See what I mean? Absolute and reverential silence? Give me a break. What hubris! How irritating! In the end I think that The Bread Bible is a decent book, but I worry that beginners will buy it with the notion that it’s the only bread book they’ll ever need. They’d be better off with Reinhart or Silverton. E. Finally, some honorable mentions: 1. Mastering the Art of French Cooking, vol. 2, by Julia Child and Simone Beck (1970). Child and Beck created their French Bread recipe under the tutelage of Professor Calvel himself, and it shows. The lengthy recipe contains excellent advice on kneading, shaping and slashing, and if it's a bit heavy on the yeast, so was every other American bread recipe at the time. 2. Chez Panisse Cooking, by Paul Bertolli and Alice Waters (1988). This book contains a chapter on bread, and it's Steve Sullivan's bread, before he departed to found his Acme company. (This is the final place where you can find Steve Sullivan's work in print, to my knowledge.) The chapter offers a very good discussion of how sourdough/wild yeast bread works (although some of the science is faulty). Nancy Silverton refers to this chapter in her book, stating that it was the only place in which she found useful advice when she opened her own bakery. It's worth checking out. 3. It isn't a book, but it is even more useful: the eGCI. Check out Jackal10's masterful sourdough course and Dan Lepard's Baking Day.
  9. I made two dishes from the new book this week: (1) The lamb shoulder fricassee "Marches" style (p.280). This was good homey fare. It would be bland but for the redeeming last step, in which the lamb is tossed with egg yolk and lemon juice. I could've used a serving suggestion to go with the lamb. I kept thinking "buttered noodles, buttered noodles!" But that was Julia talking inside my head. I went instead with rice and a vegetable. Boring. (2) Tonight I made the risotto with butternut squash, leeks, and clams (p. 143). My wife and I gobbled it all up. Really good. I thought this dish was interesting coming from Marcella because it contained a number of accents-- the fresh marjoram, the green peppercorns tossed in at the end-- which I don't think the more severe Marcella of the Seventies would have included. Back then she would've just made one or two ingredients shine. But I have no complaints; the dish was great!
  10. SethG

    Hearth

    My wife and I ate at Hearth a few weeks ago, and we got seated just after we ordered a couple beers at the bar. We gave the waiter our order, but asked him to hold off on putting it in for a little while, so we could enjoy our beer before starting on our appetizers and wine. They were very accomodating-- I told the guy that I really wouldn't mind if he told me that they'd need the table later and that he'd rather get the order in right away, but he did as we asked. I got no sense of being rushed at all. It was so nice not to have the appetizers come right out that I think I might try a similar gambit whenever we go out.
  11. SethG

    Quinces

    That sounds amazing! I'm going to give that a try. By the way, once I became quince-aware last year, I noticed that, in New York at least, decent-looking quinces from the southern hemisphere are available in the summer, at good prices. Not local produce, but if you don't particularly care about that sort of thing, I'd think that the quince would travel and keep better than just about any other fruit.
  12. Kneading involves stretching and folding, sure.... over and over again, until a desired texture/extensibility is reached. The "turn," or stretch-n-fold, is different. Here's an imperfect attempt at describing it. Tonight I'll look at Maggie Glezer's description and probably edit this to make it better. The idea is to let the dough sit a while, and then you take it out of its container. Put it on the counter and let it settle into a flattish mass. Don't push it down or anything. Although your dough is likely in a round ball, think of it as having four edges, left, right, top, and bottom. Now hold the left edge, grab the right edge and pull it out, stretching it gently but firmly. Then fold it over to overlap the center of the dough. Then repeat, holding the dough on the right side this time, and pulling and stretching the left edge until you can fold it over the center. Then repeat again for the top, and again for the bottom. Now you've folded over all four edges; you have a ball of dough again. Turn it over in your hands, and hold it from underneath with your palms, as if you were shaping a boule (if you follow me). Bring your hands together lightly to form a little seal, but you don't have to do much-- the goal isn't to de-gas. It should feel a bit tighter than before. Plop it back your rising container, and let it recover and start to rise again. Some people counsel leaving it for an hour; Maggie Glezer says at least twenty minutes. You can then take it out and fold it again. There aren't hard-and fast rules (as far as I'm aware) as to how many times to fold; Glezer suggests folding a few times early in the rising process and then letting the dough rise on its own for the later part of bulk fermentation.
  13. Welcome, kellytree! I don't think any of us have actually provided a very good description of how to stretch and fold properly-- so it's hard to say if you're doing it right or not. I notice you're in Italy... what kind of flour are you using?
  14. Thanks, Peter! Your passion for bread (and 'cue) comes through in every sentence. It's been an inspiring week.
  15. There was a big feature on the new book in the August/September Saveur. Unfortunately I can't find the article on Saveur's website. The article contained several great-sounding recipes. I made the Ragu di Vitello col Sughetto di Peperoni Rossi, Verdi e Gialli (Veal Pasta Sauce with Red, Green, and Yellow Peppers). It was really great, although I found her requirement that the peppers be peeled raw, with a vegetable peeler, to be easier said than done. It was well worth the effort.
  16. I'm really so grateful for this Q & A. I tried turning a sourdough loaf-- bulk fermentation Wednesday, overnight retardation, baked off yesterday morning. For me, what was new was that I kneaded (by hand) as little as possible-- I added flour and kneaded just until the point at which I felt the dough was fully mixed together and had the right amount of hydration, which only took a few minutes. Usually, I knead by hand for ten minutes or more until I see the windowpane. I turned it four times in the first two and a half hours of bulk fermentation, leaving it alone to complete bulk fermentation for another two and a half hours (five hours total). After baking, this loaf had much bigger and more irregular holes than I usually get. Taste: great, but better than usual? Hard to say without a side-by-side comparison. But I'm a convert! I love the holes. Thanks everyone. (I'm still waiting for Brother Peter's wisdom on the autolyse, by the way!)
  17. Those prices are the most expensive on the menu, and aren't really representative. As Bruni reports, the appetizers start at $8, and the entrees at $17-- literally $25, with no drink or dessert! The prices are about the equivalent of a Manhhattan restaurant of its caliber, I reckon. For Brooklyn, it's not a cheap eat. Still, I bet you'd find other restos that were reviewed in $25 and under in the same price range-- a topic that I think we've talked to death elsewhere. Their menu wasn't originally conceived as containing appetizers and entrees, but instead moved gradually down the page from small to large. They encouraged people to treat the menu as a tapas mix-and-match exercise, and tried to point out dishes that were good to share. I think this arrangement confused people, and they eventually felt forced to present the menu more conventionally.
  18. I'm jealous of your griddle. And I can't believe this campus house has a Viking!
  19. I don't know that one-- and I didn't mean to wander off topic. I was really referring to the Smith/5th "scene"-- there are many great food reasons to visit Brooklyn. By the way, I agree with you about the review reading more like what maybe should have been a "$25 and Under" review.
  20. I think Bruni was charmed by the restaurant and delivered an affectionate but not overly gushing review-- I've been there many times and I think he pretty much nailed it. My wife and I lived around the corner when Convivium first opened and the place became a favorite of ours, both because we enjoyed the food and also because we found Carlo and Michelle to be such warm, welcoming people. I often wonder whether anyone who makes the trip from Manhattan to check out the Brooklyn scene comes away truly impressed-- I'm not sure any of the Fifth Avenue/Smith Street restaurants are really worth the trip if you have lower Manhattan close at hand. But I'd put Convivium up there with any of the Brooklyn worthies. It's a very nice place with some very good food, and I hope the review brings the owners continued success. It couldn't happen to nicer people.
  21. Saint Calvel invented the autolyse technique, in which the dough is mixed a short time, without salt, and then allowed to rest a while before the salt is added and mixing is completed. This technique allows the flour to absorb water and organize itself for a while, and this means that less total kneading/mixing time is required to get the dough ready to rise. Like the "turning" technique, this technique was developed to try to minimize the damage done to dough by big, commercial mixers. Yet many people (see, e.g., Silverton) preach its use by bakers in the home. I've tried it when I've kneaded by hand and machine, and while I certainly grant that it reduces overall mixing time, I can't say I've noticed any difference in the color or taste of the resulting bread. What do you think? Should home bakers autolyse, and why? I think it might help the home baker avoid carpal tunnel syndrome, but I'm not sure it does much for the bread.
  22. All of these responses are helpful, but if I may follow up, Chef, I'm interested in one other thing. You recommend this technique for wet, Italian doughs, and for French baguettes-- what about for a standard white country sourdough/levain bread? In your books you recommend thoroughly kneading such doughs, and I don't think I've seen you mention turning with regard to these breads. But I believe irregular hole structure is always a plus. Should I knead my next sourdough loaf a lot less, and not even try for the "windowpane," but "turn" it a few times instead? Or are you saying that it won't make much af a difference unless the dough is wet enough to produce golf ball-sized holes? Thanks again for your advice!
  23. Hey, we have to do something to make this a challenge for you, right? Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
  24. "Turning" seems to be all the rage among artisanal bakers. The technique, which involves mixing/kneading less than all the way, and then stretching and folding the dough several times as it rises-- at intervals of 20-30 minutes or an hour-- was designed, I think, to counteract the oxidizing/bleaching effects of big commercial mixers. Whatever its origins, many now recommend the technique to home bakers (Maggie Glezer's book comes to mind). Do you think it has much to offer home bakers, or are our mixers too wimpy to do the kind of damage the big ones do? (Also, is there any reason to use the turning technique if you knead by hand?)
  25. If I'm not mistaken, in both Crust & Crumb and in BBA you advise bakers to create steam in the oven by doing two things right after the loaf goes in: (1) pour hot water into a pre-heated pan on the floor of the oven; and, after that, (2) spray the oven with a mister three times, at thirty second intervals. I followed your method for a long time, but one day I realized that when I open the door to spray with the mister in step 2, I'm letting out a ton of steam that was created when I poured the water in step 1! So I just pour now, I don't spray. Can't you do more harm than good by opening the oven door so soon after you pour the water in? Or am I missing something? Thanks again.
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