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If you read the Bittman piece, he reports on the science that has proven a link, at the same level of confidence as the link between tobacco smoking and lung cancer, as that between sugar and diabetes, not necessarily between sugar and obesity.

Bittman weighs in...

I definitely researched the Expobar machines before I made my Silvia purchase. The thing which worried me was that they aren't as widely carried or serviced, nor do they have the history of, the Rancilio products. But - they look like great machines.

Exactly...and the point of my OP and the article is that the fact was known by the corporate CEOs cited in the article. They met. They chose to do nothing except continue their marketing campaigns toward the most vulnerable. Great point.

Really? http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/220999.php

Kraft has been reducing the amount of slat, sugar and fat in their products for the last 10 years. At least, according to Kraft... A new study in rats suggests that high-fat, high-calorie foods affect the brain in much the same way as cocaine and heroin.

I'm surprised that all of you perfect parents are sticking together on this. Wouldn't it have been nice if some of those evil corporations had actually given a damn about the health of some of their customers? But maybe at some point we'll see warning labels on food like we do on tobacco products...then all those lazy parents have no one to blame but themselves.

I don't understand why anyone is bringing city governments/mayors into this thread - or peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for that matter. I started off by referencing a piece of investigative journalism that ran in the NY Times, and which was written by a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist. That piece uncovered the fact that in 1999, many of the major junk food manufacturers' CEOs met to discuss what they knew was a looming health crisis affecting millions of people. They also knew that some of their food products might be considered a major contributor to that same health crisis, especially affecting young people, who would then become customers of those products for the rest of their lives. They knew the products they were making were addicting. The article draws a parallel between the addictions to certain foods the same way people might get addicted to tobacco. Interestingly enough, tobacco was often marketed to young people, even though the tobacco companies knew their product was perhaps bad for an individual's health. I asked what people thought. I asked if anyone has tried lunchables. No one is taking away your peanut butter and jelly. No one is taking away your hot dogs. No one is taking away your bud light. As a matter of fact, no one is taking away your fucking cigarettes either. They're just letting you know that if you smoke them, you might die from them. That's all.

That's such a false argument.

How much sodium, sugar and fat do you think are in the ones you remember? We can always think of worse stuff to feed kids - Bud Light has already been mentioned!

Lunchables - are now more fun than ever! Some of them even come with, gasp...water!! Welcome to LUNCHABLES! LUNCHABLES FOR KIDS!

The laziness argument is a real straw man. Don't you think that there are children whose parents both work? Perhaps multiple jobs? Or single mothers or fathers who do everything they can to raise their child(ren) alone?

What's interesting is that you appear to be blaming everyone from the Times' Pulitzer Prize winning author of the article to the parents to the kids to the restaurateurs...everyone, that is, except the perpetrators. They are hardly "nebulous others." They are named in the article.

Agreed, and quite refreshing.They actually seem to like and respect one another.

Abso-fucking-lutely.

You know, I know very little about child rearing. And I'm sure all the parents reading this are glad to take your advice. But lunchables is a $billion dollars-a-year product, so there must be something about the marketing to kids that helps them sell their stuff. And I don't know about you, but I always demanded an Anchor Steam with my supper.

Just like the tobacco companies knew about the ill-effects of long-term tobacco use and chose to hide it, the same thing took place amongst the fast-food giants who kept pushing things to kids. Even as they met to try to figure out how to deal with what they knew was a health issue of epidemic proportions, the drive for profit proved greater and nothing was done. Sure, it's up to the individual consumer, and caveat emptor and blah blah blah, but when you're advertising on the the Saturday and Sunday morning cartoon shows, I think you know who your target audience really is.

I'd say that that is BS.

Ahhh, OK - I get it! I'm happy with my SVS, but if I was buying now, I'd save up for the Poly Sci Pro unit simply because it's easier to store.

Perhaps it wasn't even cod? Seafood Watch from the Monterey Bay Aquarium http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/21/us/survey-finds-that-fish-are-often-not-what-label-says.html

In an article entitled The Extraordinary Science of Addictive Junk Food, which appeared in the February 24th issue of the NY Times Magazine, author Michael Moss exposes some rather disturbing facts about the industry that has brought us everything from Cheetos, evidently: To Lunchables, in all their ways, shapes and forms. Of course, it was all about marketing this stuff: Now, the industry has known for a long time about the growing epidemic of obesity, heart disease and various other ailments associated with a high fat, high salt, high sugar, etc. diet. And I'm wondering - are they just as culpable as the tobacco industry was in their targeting of kids when marketing their products? Does anyone on this board use lunchables?

With a few months in the Red Bank area, you should be able to get into Manhattan at least a couple of times.

Have you look at the thread about the SideKIC?

I have made good risotto with all kinds of grains, including regular rice, wild rice, couscous, ---- all without adding Arborio rice. I think if you made couscous, you made pasta.

Barley, but...I don't know if it's blasphemy...I just know it's not risotto.