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CanadianHomeChef

CanadianHomeChef

On 12/30/2019 at 8:21 AM, Max Q said:

I bought one of these and took delivery last week. It's a UK model, badged "Sage Commercial" and it has an extra power setting, Max, which delivers 2400 watts.

 

Given that you can buy an induction hob on Amazon UK for £45 I would never have spent 20 times as much but it was a present and the giver specifically wanted me to have something extravagant.

 

This device stands or falls on the ability to measure and maintain temperature with great accuracy and to a lesser extent to deliver consistent power without pulsing.

 

While experimenting I found some strange behaviour - in some situations it seemed to get hotter than I would expect - I could see oil shimmering when the temperature was set to 130C for example.

 

So I did an experiment, first with water in a saucepan, when I used Pan Control but also had the probe in. I'd previously checked the probe against a separate thermometer and they were very close. I set a target temperature of 90C. What I expected to see is for both temperatures to rise, with the water temperature lagging behind the pan temperature, and equalising or nearly so at the end.

 

That's what I saw at first but while the pan temperature reached 90C and stayed there, the water temperature continued to rise until it reached 93C.

 

I tried the same thing with a cast iron frying pan and this time the water reached 100C and boiled fiercely so the pan must have been over 100C, yet the display said 90C.

 

Today I repeated the experiment with oil to remove the limiting caused by  the boiling point of water.

 

Here's what I saw:

 

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This was at the peak of the overshoot. I waited 20 minutes until a steady state was reached and though the pan temperature was 90C the oil temperature was 98C.

 

I tried again on Slow and this time it wasn't so pronounced. This was after waiting 20 minutes for a steady state:

 

IMG_20191230_141509.thumb.jpg.e40fb785759fd8075e34dc2aef4123ba.jpg

 

Unless I've totally misunderstood the laws of physics, something is wrong here. The liquid can't be hotter than the container which is heating it.

 

Since I've checked the probe and I know it's accurate, the only answer that I can come up with is that the pan sensor is significantly under-reading the pan temperature, and by an amount which depends on the pan construction.

 

This is rather alarming. If I was shallow frying, such as making an omelette, there's no way I would be able to check the pan temperature was correct - I don't have an IR thermometer.

 

I'd be interested to know if anyone else has seen this as right now it's hard to see a reason not to return it.

 

 

This is unusual behaviour. I have two USA models and have never seen the content temperature rise above the pan temperature. Of course if you turn down the heat there will be a period of time when your contents will be hotter, but that doesn't seem to be the case for you. I'd exchange the item. 

CanadianHomeChef

CanadianHomeChef

On 12/30/2019 at 8:21 AM, Max Q said:

I bought one of these and took delivery last week. It's a UK model, badged "Sage Commercial" and it has an extra power setting, Max, which delivers 2400 watts.

 

Given that you can buy an induction hob on Amazon UK for £45 I would never have spent 20 times as much but it was a present and the giver specifically wanted me to have something extravagant.

 

This device stands or falls on the ability to measure and maintain temperature with great accuracy and to a lesser extent to deliver consistent power without pulsing.

 

While experimenting I found some strange behaviour - in some situations it seemed to get hotter than I would expect - I could see oil shimmering when the temperature was set to 130C for example.

 

So I did an experiment, first with water in a saucepan, when I used Pan Control but also had the probe in. I'd previously checked the probe against a separate thermometer and they were very close. I set a target temperature of 90C. What I expected to see is for both temperatures to rise, with the water temperature lagging behind the pan temperature, and equalising or nearly so at the end.

 

That's what I saw at first but while the pan temperature reached 90C and stayed there, the water temperature continued to rise until it reached 93C.

 

I tried the same thing with a cast iron frying pan and this time the water reached 100C and boiled fiercely so the pan must have been over 100C, yet the display said 90C.

 

Today I repeated the experiment with oil to remove the limiting caused by  the boiling point of water.

 

Here's what I saw:

 

IMG_20191230_122648.thumb.jpg.0ac207f875149023d9236c57d24637d7.jpg

 

This was at the peak of the overshoot. I waited 20 minutes until a steady state was reached and though the pan temperature was 90C the oil temperature was 98C.

 

I tried again on Slow and this time it wasn't so pronounced. This was after waiting 20 minutes for a steady state:

 

IMG_20191230_141509.thumb.jpg.e40fb785759fd8075e34dc2aef4123ba.jpg

 

Unless I've totally misunderstood the laws of physics, something is wrong here. The liquid can't be hotter than the container which is heating it.

 

Since I've checked the probe and I know it's accurate, the only answer that I can come up with is that the pan sensor is significantly under-reading the pan temperature, and by an amount which depends on the pan construction.

 

This is rather alarming. If I was shallow frying, such as making an omelette, there's no way I would be able to check the pan temperature was correct - I don't have an IR thermometer.

 

I'd be interested to know if anyone else has seen this as right now it's hard to see a reason not to return it.

 

 

This is unusual behaviour. I have a USA model and have never seen the content temperature rise above the pan temperature. Of course if you turn down the heat there will be a period of time when your contents will be hotter, but that doesn't seem to be the case for you. I'd exchange the item. 

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