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Thanks! Gary warned that you were good with the history part! Everywhere I've worked our standard pour has been 1 1/4 ounces, but I've even worked a neighbourhood hang/local pub and an adult entertainment establishment (tending bar!! ) that was actually reduced to a mere 1 ounce. Perhaps it is more of a in the biz accommodation when you show up? Each and every bar my roomie, friends or co-workers hang out at almost always provides that extra heavy courtesy pour. Yikes, the other evening our serving bar goddess, Tina, was set upon trying to hurt us by pouring 3 ounce Jägers for shots. Even within moderation my head hurt the next day. Perhaps geographic locale has something to play in this, as I would expect some decent sized cocktails when I visit New York, South Beach or in L.A.

Actually, there is sufficient pith to support them being tied into knots. This too is a garnish for one of our seafood plates and our kitchen uses them to make the strips of lemon zest to knot. I thought that bitterness of the white citrus pith is most undesirable, no? Thin? I've done thinner, without any apparent pith, with a paring knife that I kinked into Martha Stewart tight spirals around a pencil (think corkscrew like pig tails) and they were plenty strong and oily! Although thinking back about fussing this much over them I may have had more essential oil on my fingers and pencil than what made it into the drink.... doh! edit: Durn it! Poor proofing and the typos have plagued my typing efforts the *whole* day!

Have you considered sampling any of the Amé products? They are all non-alcoholic and very adult. I'm another fan of the less sweet altnerative beverage. I've purchased the white and have enjoyed it from time to time when I was the designated captain on my friend's boat on an lazy Sunday afternoon of floating about to see who is out and about -- when they wanted to drink and I was looking to acquire more nautical hours toward my USCG license. I think I may see if I can locate the other newer flavour combinations that have since been released!

How wide are we talking here? I have some lovely Wüstof knives and I actually appreciate the cheapie channel knife we got from a restaurant supply store more when zesting. Perhaps it is the smaller cutting surface ratio limiting potential injury -- perceived or actual! As seen in the eGCI: (with my boss doing double duty standing in as a subject and hand model ) However I can see the benefits of a wider zest when doing them in advance to compensate for the essential oils that will forever be lost if not done to order, a la minute, over the cocktail. Then there's those that really dig that little bit of brightened flavour to be more pronounced. Sometimes I'm that such person!

Welcome to eG drcocktail. Pull up a virtual barstool anytime in the Cocktails forum and join us. None of us bite. I promise!

AP article here.

This article is about the woman behind the man who began Bartender Magazine. Of the most interest of the lengthy article, to me and that I'd like to share, was her interest in the organization "a time for ME," a group of volunteer women helping to provide a program to benefit women dealing with cancer. A new book on the never ending list of must haves. Cheers to you Mrs. Foley!

The Ledger's article here. Cheers!

Thinking about that three ounce jigger, I went back to the original search results (the link I did not post) and clicked on it to find that it is a pattern name for a Libbey glass! Meh.

Right about the 50 ml. However jiggers are varied in size. I seemed to remember three different sizes but found 9 options here. The folllowing are two sided, stainless steel measuring device that is available in the following increments: 1 x 2 ounces 3/4 x 1 ounce 3/4 x 1 1/2 ounces 3/4 x 1 1/4 ounces 1/2 x 1 ounce 1 x 1 1/2 ounces 7/8 x 1 1/4 ounces 1 x 1 1/4 ounces The last option is a single-cup, 3-ounce, sized jigger. edit: URL malfunction fix!

I was thinking: Tough job! But someone's gotta do it!

bleudauvergne: I wonder how they determined that size. Hmmm, I'll ask my distributors -- perhaps they will know. Jiggers are a measuring cup for liquor, and do come in various sizes. DaleJ: Yeah, the martini would be a bit small to today's "supersized" standards. Our general pour for a martini like cocktail is in the neighbourhood of 2 ounces of the base liquor, give or take a bit if it is something like a Milk Chocolate versus a Tanqueray 10 martini.

I've heard fun things about The Beauty Shop. I hope to grab a lunch there when I visit Memphis.

Somehow this thread inspired Panic lyrics "Hang the blessed DJ, Because the music they constantly play.... Hang the DJ. Hang the DJ. Hang the DJ." from The Smiths. Oh, that was about a disco. Nevermind!

Oh, thank you for posting. That does make sense now. You reminded me once while at university, somehow one of my friends had mini bottles. Just a few... and we giggled as we smuggled them into a movie and supplemented our concession stand beverages. Impish, yes But it turned out to be all in silly fun!

hee hee! Someone has cleverly emptied and drilled holes into the mini liquor bottles and are auctioning them on eBay as salt and pepper shakers. If I'm not mistaken, I believe some have also been turned into night lights and are also being sold on eBay.

alice - First, congrats on landing a successful position in your new home. (I remember your post a ways back in the Cocktail forum). I should be in Memphis the first part of May for a fantastic five course degustation from a good friend and amazing chef. We'll stop by and say a hello. Back to business at hand! I've never heard of a Sally Collins, but then in the years I've tended bar, I've only ever had two requests for a Collins -- one of which was the Vodka Collins. Learn something new every day, eh?! Where I work our standard pour is 1 1/4 ounces. If a guest orders a Jack, straight up, neat they get a 1 1/4 ounce pour. If the guest instead orders the Jack, on the rocks, then the pour is increased by 1/4 ounce. "Historically" for us, if a guest orders a cocktail up (in a prechilled cocktail glass) then the pour was increased also by a 1/4 ounce for a total of a 1 1/2 ounce pour. However, now anything "up" has changed with the new cocktail glasses we have purchased which are much larger than the old ones....

Sweet and Sour is the same thing as Sour Mix. Fresh is always best. Robert/DrinkBoy shared a great recipe that I'll happily pass along here: http://www.webtender.com/iforum/message.cg...5&hili=sour+mix

Oops, more egg on my face, but that's the same article...! I sort of glazed over the remainder ending paragraphs of the article at about the line regarding bartenders looked like football players suiting/taping up.... Having watched skin literally fall off my right hand during one of the busiest weekends ever at our restaurant (the Cleveland BiCentennial celebration, some years back) I have little interest or sympathies for bartenders complaining about their hands being cut up! Comes with the territory and the pain has a funny way of going away when counting out the tip jar! Thinking about minis, my little adorable Chopin bottle has an exact replica cork stopper top. It is just darling and I was so intrigued as I purchased it during my last trip to Alaska. Around holiday season, I found the same mini bottle paired up with Belvedere in a special keepsake, presentation box here in Cleveland -- of course which is the set I would have prefered to own. While, I've never had a mini Crown bottle, I've got a few of the mini purple felt bags, complete with the embroidery and gold tassel pull cord. We used to use them for change at one bar I once worked at until I asked if I could keep them when our owner wanted to throw them away. Those are the cat's pajamas of miniatures. Aw, jeesz, I'm rambling.... Carry on!

WOW! One bottle of triple sec, and three bottles of tequila! That's 5.1 huge ounces of tequila!!!!!! Holy Cow! Thanks hannah for the link, I didn't see it. <scrolls/slinks up to read the supplied link>

I keep wondering how bartenders are mixing a multi liquor drink. Do they use the full little bottle of triple sec in a Margarita? Do they use a estimated one third (rough at best) and save the rest for another order?

The first time I heard of this, I thought: That's crazy! At first I feigned disbelief, then mystified. The resounding Why? still clearly resounds in this bartender and liquor consumer's mind. Here's a colourful Tri-Valley Herald article on the quirky liquor law in South Carolina requiring that liquor be sold and served from the cutesy mini bottle. However, there are several more serious issues at hand. And quite apparently, this is going to be a money/revenue war. (Doesn't it always?) But legislators are concerned with other issues: landfill clogging waste of millions of these little bottles and the serving of large volumes of liquor, a possible contributor to drunk driving related deaths. This will be interesting to see how this all works out. And, I learnt a bit more bar trivia -- "Blind Tiger Bars." Interesting article. TYPOS!

I expected big things from their vodkas. Now I simply must acquire a bottle or two for a personal sampling and get it stocked into our speed rail at work! Today's press release can be found here. Cheers!

You're allowed! I am currently at Shooter's in Cleveland. I've also bartended at the Islander's Swim Up Pool Bar in Put in Bay/South Bass Island, Rattlesnake Island (two Lake Erie resort islands) and in Pioneer Bar (third picture, and not a terribly good one ) in Sitka, Alaska. The Shooter's website is a redesign, and in my awful opinion, is dull and lifeless. The web designers are waiting until this Summer to replace the photos when we are jam packed with diners and boaters. On the home page shows a small picture of boats rafted all the way around -- we serve full menu and cocktails on those as well (onboard). To get an idea of the establishment: we staff 150 servers, 48-52 bartenders, 9-10 barbacks, 20 hostesses, 12-15 valets and/or dock hands and 20-25 in the heart of the house cooking with 7 bars, 1 small shots only bar and 2 beer barrels. Sometimes we'll have tooter girls walking about selling some funny coloured shot out of a test tube. We have a "legal" seating capacity of 800 and overall capacity (inside and out) of 2000. The place is a true machine, I love it and often call it my home. edit: link repair