When you buy a bread machine, you buy an automated kneader, proofer, and oven, and any bread machine is a better kneader and proofer than it is an oven. There are tricks you can do to move toward artisanal breads, see: http://www.amazon.com/Rustic-European-Brea...99049703&sr=1-1 But, you will never really quite get there with the robobaker. Many people don’t care, since they mainly want control over ingredients, convenience, and fresh bread smell. This describes the everyday me. There is a thread on egullet called “in defense of the bread machine” that covers this pretty well. Incidentally, my Salton bread machine was flimsier than my current Panasonic, which is built like a tank. The non-stick surface of the paddle and pan rubbed off quickly on the Salton, not so the Panasonic. Breadman is a Salton product – does the Ultimate model suffer from this? Tell you what, I don’t know what part of Paris you live in, but if you let me live with you, I volunteer to be the one who goes down to the boulangerie every day….I would not need (heh heh) my Panasonic there.