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I was in Vancouver on Thursday to participate in a panel at the Association of Food Journalists conference. My panel was on restaurant critic ethics, and I was invited by AFJ President-elect Bill Daley, aka Mebutter. Luckily, I was also invited to stick around for lunch at Lumiere. So, after holding forth on the importance of anonymity, I went to a meal with several dozen food critics wearing nametags.

Lumiere has been reported on here before, and I'm lazy, so I'll just touch on a few highlights from the 9-course lunch. I like the very simple, Northwesty decor, although I worry it might be too austere if the restaurant weren't packed (but how likely is that?). It is very loud when full, but maybe only when it's full of reporters, who are loud by nature.

Each course had a matching 1.5 to 2 ounce taste of wine. I thought the best overall wine match was the first: Zind-Humbrecht Clos Hauserer riesling 1999 with an amuse of albacore sashimi topped with som tam, or Thai-style green papaya salad. This was an unexpectly authentic little som tam, although it had toasted pine nuts instead of peanuts. They went light on the lime juice so it would pair well with the wine, and it was just an awesome match--bite of amuse, sip of wine, and boom, tuna flavor comes to the fore.

The best overall dish was butternut squash and mascarpone ravioli. Normally I do not like butternut squash ravioli: it's always either too sweet or stringy. Not today. These were two ravioli, looking like a pair of sunny-side-up eggs, topped with with black truffle beurre blanc (flash-frozen truffles, the chef told us), EVOO, and fleur de sel. The essence of creamy, and not too sweet.

One of the best and very French things about Lumiere's food is the concentration of flavor in the tiny accompanying elements. This was exemplified by the foie gras dish, a bite of seared foie gras wrapped in a slice of duck breast, served atop cauliflower puree and in turn topped with a prosciutto and herb "salad", really just a teaspoon of crispy prosciutto and herb bits. A couple of the dishes (not this one) were served in espresso cups; I would have gladly accepted an oversized mug of the buttery cauliflower puree.

There was a very nice Quebecois goat cheese called Cabri Cendré; the cheese course overall was well done, consisting of three Canadian cheeses, fig bread and fruit-nut bread, and a glass of Australian tawny port.

Desserts (a sorbet and a berries-and-cream concoction) were fine, but it was clear that the heart of this place is not in the desserts.

The plates are very small, and I left after three hours sated and a little drunk, but not overly full. I sat next to eGullet member Marlena Spieler, who is a fount of entertaining stories; she told us about her recent visit to a prosciutto festival in Parma, where everything was delicious except the prosciutto desserts.

It's probably unfair to recommend Lumiere after this carefully orchestrated pull-out-all-the-stops lunch, but what the hell? I loved it.

Matthew Amster-Burton, aka "mamster"

Author, Hungry Monkey, coming in May

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That's pretty much what you'll be served at Lumiere no matter who you are and no matter when you go. It's a superb restaurant, one of the two best upscale fine dining places in Vancouver and also one of the best restaurants in its region (Pacific Northwest) and country (Canada). Over the course of a few visits to Vancouver, a couple of which presented the opportunity to compare the two restaurants directly, I've leaned towards Ouest as the more focused kitchen with a higher degree of technical perfectionism. The approach at Lumiere is quite reminiscent of the freewheeling style in evidence at Charlie Trotter's or the French Laundry, whereas Ouest's cuisine is more along the carefully composed lines of Jean Georges or a contemporary European restaurant with a Michelin star or two. That's just a preference I have.

I very much appreciated your first paragraph, by the way.

Steven A. Shaw aka "Fat Guy"
Co-founder, Society for Culinary Arts & Letters, sshaw@egstaff.org
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Laurie and I are planning to go to Ouest next time we're in Vancouver, but I also have to take her to the tasting bar at Lumiere for some more of those ravioli. Perhaps they could be persuaded to do an all-you-can-eat ravioli thing. "Olive Garden is doing it," I will tell them.

Also, dammit, if I want to convince myself I'm getting special treatment, who are you to tell me any different?

Matthew Amster-Burton, aka "mamster"

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Sorry. I thought you wanted to hear that you weren't getting special treatment, so that's what I told you. But of course it's clear from your post that you got a lot of very special treatment.

Steven A. Shaw aka "Fat Guy"
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Director, New Media Studies, International Culinary Center (take my food-blogging course)

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Beautiful description of the lunch! I literally didn't eat for 24 hours after visiting Lumiere.

I, too, love the first paragraph. It does all sounds a bit silly - going on about anonymity and then showing up with name tags - (this is the sort of irony that could feed a couple dozen "compromised critic" threads) but I have to point out the name tags were necessary.

The name tags served as our tickets (a reason I reminded Mamster to bring his along) into all AFJ events.

Though this was clearly not a "reviewing" lunch, I don't think there were any Vancouver critics amongst us. In fact, the Vancouver Sun critic never showed up for any of the AFJ events in or out of restaurants. Didn't want to be seen associating, etc., etc., etc.

I certainly hope we see Mamster at future AFJ events. His comments were much appreciated. Perhaps at the 2003 conference in Boston...

Would love to see you, too, Mr. Shaw (and any other food journalist)

:smile:

Bill Daley

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Mamster, as I think more about the special treatment you received, I grow increasingly envious.

Steven A. Shaw aka "Fat Guy"
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Director, New Media Studies, International Culinary Center (take my food-blogging course)

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They actually never asked to see my nametag when I went in. I just said, "I'm with the food journalists," and they whisked me inside and started pouring wine. Based on this experience, I intend to say that every time I go into a restaurant from now on. I will be wearing a disguise, so it will be completely ethical.

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  • 4 months later...

It is with regret that a restaurant I have enjoyed so many times in the past will, for this individual, become a thing of the past.

I have enjoyed many (over 10) meals at Lumiere. It is not that the food has gone downhill - it is just that it has now become a poor "quality/price ratio" experience. The wine list has always been ridiculously overpriced, but the food prices, I felt, balanced it out. Especially with a reasonable corkage fee. Pricing (QPR) for their food is now equivocal to other local restaurants. I compare to Ouest/West, Bishop's, La Crocodile, La Gavroche (can't wait for it to re-open).

The style; similar, but not nearly as well executed as Thomas Keller or Charlie Trotter, lacks the service and intimacy of these two restaurants. Tables are tightly spaced, decor, etc is quite basic. I make the comparison, because this seems to be the peer group that Robert Feeney feels he is in. Mr. Feeney feels that he can now charge French Laundry/Charley Trotter corkage fees, with a wine list mark-up to match. That would be fine if the ambiance or service was close, but unfortunately my last two meals made me left feeling as though I were in a very decorative cafeteria - we were not active participants, we were mere observers, there to adjust to the experience.

My main problem; however, is that I enjoy wine with my meal, and Lumiere has always had a poor value wine list. It is full of wines that have been inflated 300% (perhaps even 400%, but my sense of being taken advantage of may be impairing my memory).

If the wines were gems in the rough, then fine - but the morning of our last dinner I saw the sommelier at the local liquor store filling the shopping cart with some pretty pedestrian offerings. When you are charged $40.00 for a bottle of wine you see the next day for $11.99 you feel taken.

It perpetuates the myth that wine is an elite beverage ONLY meant for special occasions. Furthermore, when you drink that $40.00 wine that is meant to retail for $11.99, I believe the wine producers reputation is affected. The general public don't see a $12 bottle of wine, but a producer that makes a poor QPR $40 bottle of wine.

My solution in the past has been corkage $20-$25, order a couple of wines by the glass, and tip well (20-30%) to make up for REASONABLE lost wine sale revenue. Well imagine my shock at finding corkage has been increased to $75!! - See post below-. At those prices, they must be trying to direct me towards their stellar wine list?? The last time I checked, it was full of: overpriced lesser vintages, an assortment of average - widely available producers, or immature wine.

Basically, I am now at the mercy of a punitively priced wine list. Fine if I am AT The French Laundry, Gary Danko, Charlie Trotter, Daniel, Chez Panisse, Troisgros, Carre des Feuillants, L'Alexandrin (in Lyon - go!), el Raco de Can Fabes, or El Bulli. I've been to them, and many others, so trust me - Lumiere is NOT in the same ballpark. Furthermore, the European counterparts price their lists well. Is it because the public is more wine savvy, and refuse to be taken advantage of?

I'm tempted to order water (tap) with my meals :wink: . On second thought, Vancouver has so much else to offer!

I welcome debate on this topic - Your thoughts!

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Boris, welcome to eGullet.

I agree with all of your points on principle but sadly have little more to contribute.

While waiting for more cogent comments from others, can I trouble you for further commentary on the meal?

"I've caught you Richardson, stuffing spit-backs in your vile maw. 'Let tomorrow's omelets go empty,' is that your fucking attitude?" -E. B. Farnum

"Behold, I teach you the ubermunch. The ubermunch is the meaning of the earth. Let your will say: the ubermunch shall be the meaning of the earth!" -Fritzy N.

"It's okay to like celery more than yogurt, but it's not okay to think that batter is yogurt."

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Jinmyo,

It has been a few months since my last dining experience at Lumiere; therefore, I really shouldn't comment on specifics other than to say I was very pleased with my food there. I have never been dissapointed with the FOOD - more than a few of the dishes have " rocked my world" such as : lobster with leek ravioli horseradish and beet sauce, crab with watermelon soup, braised beef short rib, sablefish marinated in maple syrup and sake, ANY cheese course, etc...Rather, it has been a more insidious attitude and general environment change that I had noticed during my last two visits (approx 6 months apart). Feeney is still an extremely talented chef, and one of my favorites. It is just that when compared to other talented chefs in the same area, I cannot justify the cost of the experience. Likewise, if you want to charge the same as the other All-Stars, you better be able to hit the ball just as far. I would rather spend my All-Star money elsewhere.

If I know other restaurants in the area won't charge me as much, won't punish me for bringing a wine (or if they will, at least give me a decent and well-priced wine list), and won't make me feel like I'm yet another diner being crammed into "prime real-estate", then I will go...and have!

I had planned another trip in the near future, but when I got wind of a change in corkage policy, I telephoned the restaurant to confirm if this was in fact true ($75). Sadly it is. Obviously they can have that policy and still be full. For that I congratulate them.

In the meantime, I had dined at West and had a truly enjoyable meal. I would like to post a more detailed note later, as I am still composing notes, but allow me to say that the highlights were the:

Quebec Foie Gras and Chicken Liver Parfait (apple jelly with toasted brioche). Beautiful presentation, brioche done perfectly. Rich yet light enough to not overwhelm. Would a hint more acidity in the apple jelly have brought the dish up to another level? Has to be seen to be believed.

Sugar Pumpkin Ravioli. Again, extremely well presented, with an amazing aroma of roasted squash. Hint of amaretto/almond truly made this the dish of the night.

Tangerine Sorbet. I want to know what this was laying on. A merangue? Excellent dish

Chocolate Passionfruit Cake . The pastry chef closed with this. It made me think I was served Ding Dongs and Twinkies at Gary Danko. Kudos both to Hawksworth and Pastry chef Viani for a great meal!

Cheers!

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Jinmyo,

It has been a few months since my last dining experience at Lumiere; therefore, I really shouldn't comment on specifics other than to say I was very pleased with my food there. I have never been dissapointed with the FOOD - more than a few of the dishes have " rocked my world" such as : lobster with leek ravioli horseradish and beet sauce, crab with watermelon soup, braised beef short rib, sablefish marinated in maple syrup and sake, ANY cheese course, etc...Rather, it has been a more insidious attitude and general environment change that I had noticed during my last two visits (approx 6 months apart). Feeney is still an extremely talented chef, and one of my favorites. It is just that when compared to other talented chefs in the same area, I cannot justify the cost of the experience. Likewise, if you want to charge the same as the other All-Stars, you better be able to hit the ball just as far. I would rather spend my All-Star money elsewhere.

If I know other restaurants in the area won't charge me as much, won't punish me for bringing a wine (or if they will, at least give me a decent and well-priced wine list), and won't make me feel like I'm yet another diner being crammed into "prime real-estate", then I will go...and have!

I had planned another trip in the near future, but when I got wind of a change in corkage policy, I telephoned the restaurant to confirm if this was in fact true ($75). Sadly it is. Obviously they can have that policy and still be full. For that I congratulate them.

In the meantime, I had dined at West and had a truly enjoyable meal. I would like to post a more detailed note later, as I am still composing notes, but allow me to say that the highlights were the:

Quebec Foie Gras and Chicken Liver Parfait (apple jelly with toasted brioche). Beautiful presentation, brioche done perfectly. Rich yet light enough to not overwhelm. Would a hint more acidity in the apple jelly have brought the dish up to another level? Has to be seen to be believed.

Sugar Pumpkin Ravioli. Again, extremely well presented, with an amazing aroma of roasted squash. Hint of amaretto/almond truly made this the dish of the night.

Tangerine Sorbet. I want to know what this was laying on. A merangue? Excellent dish

Chocolate Passionfruit Cake . The pastry chef closed with this. It made me think I was served Ding Dongs and Twinkies at Gary Danko. Kudos both to Hawksworth and Pastry chef Viani for a great meal!

Cheers!

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In my one experience at Lumiere, I was also put off by the exorbinated prices on the wine list. I chose to go with wines by the class, which I thought were of good quality and significantly less that most of the bottles that were available.

Most women don't seem to know how much flour to use so it gets so thick you have to chop it off the plate with a knife and it tastes like wallpaper paste....Just why cream sauce is bitched up so often is an all-time mytery to me, because it's so easy to make and can be used as the basis for such a variety of really delicious food.

- Victor Bergeron, Trader Vic's Book of Food & Drink, 1946

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Boris, your post about West will be interesting. The chef is logged in as I type this.

"I've caught you Richardson, stuffing spit-backs in your vile maw. 'Let tomorrow's omelets go empty,' is that your fucking attitude?" -E. B. Farnum

"Behold, I teach you the ubermunch. The ubermunch is the meaning of the earth. Let your will say: the ubermunch shall be the meaning of the earth!" -Fritzy N.

"It's okay to like celery more than yogurt, but it's not okay to think that batter is yogurt."

Serving fine and fresh gratuitous comments since Oct 5 2001, 09:53 PM

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No, Cap'n. Who won?

"I've caught you Richardson, stuffing spit-backs in your vile maw. 'Let tomorrow's omelets go empty,' is that your fucking attitude?" -E. B. Farnum

"Behold, I teach you the ubermunch. The ubermunch is the meaning of the earth. Let your will say: the ubermunch shall be the meaning of the earth!" -Fritzy N.

"It's okay to like celery more than yogurt, but it's not okay to think that batter is yogurt."

Serving fine and fresh gratuitous comments since Oct 5 2001, 09:53 PM

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Boris-

My first impression on the choice of wines in the tasting section was not good, but I confronted the waiter, and got into a good conversation that lead into better than expected choices. I think we tried 6 varieties: 2 flopped, and 4 succeeded. Having said that, I agree with you they could be more creative in their selections. My rule is if I don't say anything, I will feel bad about the whole experience. They are big boys; so just tell them you're not impressed with the wine selection, and give them a chance to explain or do something about it. Actually, now that I recall- the waiter let us sample generously 2 of them. I vaguely recall one of the Rieslings wasn't worth a sniff.

Re: the $40 for a $12, perhaps are you referring to the Valdeviesso Pinot Noir? Note that there is a Reserve one worth $22 at the store, and a non-reserve is about $13, so maybe that explains the confusion?

On the 300-400% markup, is it possible that you have to factor the fact that the wine had appreciated over the years; so you're maybe referring to a 1986 that was bought at $70 10 years ago, but worth $200 now, so they price it at $420 for e.g?

On the corkage fee, I agree it's steep at $75, but they figure the average bottle goes at $150, so $75 is their lost profit. $20-25 would be quite low for a Lumiere type of restaurant, c'mon! Maybe somewhere in between is the right amount, but I believe they tell you ahead of time, so it's not a surprise. One way to make up for it is to bring a bottle worth more than $75 and let them pull up the ol' decanter and beat their system! (just kidding on that one)

pssst... i heard the final score on the hockey game was Lumiere 13, Ouest 3. Apparently, the game started at 11 pm!

"I hate people who are not serious about their meals." Oscar Wilde

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I have to get in on this mark up discussion. Went to Bacchus and on thier wine list was the hugely popular Farnese Sangiovese, LDB. price 7.95. Bacchus price 33.00. Now that's usery. The rest of the list followed suit but nothing quite like the Farnese. The food was good, however if I want to get skinned I will go to the taxidermist.

David Cooper

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Coop- what you mentioned about Bacchus is extorsion. It surprises them that a place with their reputation does that.

In general, I hate it when they do that to cheap wine.

I wonder if the subject of wine mark-ups in restaurants has been previously discussed at more length or details in previous postings, here?

When I go to a top restaurant, I don't expect them to rip me off on the price/quality ratio.

"I hate people who are not serious about their meals." Oscar Wilde

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just to set the record straight it was 13 - 5.

Rematch on March 2nd

We had a cap on imports that we could bring to the game, one of there's happened to be a goalie - coach and rumour has it one league below NHL. They may as well had put a brick wall infront of the net.

DH

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just to set the record straight it was 13 - 5.

Rematch on March 2nd

David, you can't let Nob get away with this.

He's Charlie Brown with highlights and a Van Dyke.

Who da man? Who da man?

You da man. Go go go.

"I've caught you Richardson, stuffing spit-backs in your vile maw. 'Let tomorrow's omelets go empty,' is that your fucking attitude?" -E. B. Farnum

"Behold, I teach you the ubermunch. The ubermunch is the meaning of the earth. Let your will say: the ubermunch shall be the meaning of the earth!" -Fritzy N.

"It's okay to like celery more than yogurt, but it's not okay to think that batter is yogurt."

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Explorer,

The wine was a current vintage Sancerre (Sav Blanc) I believe. Not too memorable, so I can't be more specific. It was consumed about 6-9 months ago - second to last time there.

Boris

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Boris- It's funny you mentioned that Sancerre; I recall we had that exact one a 3-4 months ago, and it wasn't that great either.

David- Thanks for setting the record straight on the score; sorry for the error on my part (it was close though). Counting on West to win next time!

"I hate people who are not serious about their meals." Oscar Wilde

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  • 7 months later...

I can't believe that people still don't consider Lumiere the best restaurant in all of Vancouver. You have to look at all the facts I think. West was a really good restaurant in the begginning but now that they have changed their format late last year they haven't been able to provide the same calliber of food and service as they wear 2 years ago. Where as Lumiere is still thriving and re-inventing the wheel as it may be as far as restaurants go in this city . There products and staff are better then the before mentioned and you have to remember that no one does the same format they do. On a busy 100 person night at Lumiere , with the average person having 10 plates a piece , thats 1000 plates a night out of a very small place.

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