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  1. Why bother saving guacamole?  It's so easy to make only as much as you want to eat in one sitting.

    Well, if you're making it to spread on sandwiches, you might not want a whole avocado's worth of guacamole on one sandwich! Though it should be easy to eat enough guacamole-laced sandwiches over two days, before the worst of the discoloration sets in.

    I have a couple of thoughts here...

    First, is that you can easily make half an avacado's worth of guacamole, wrap the half with the pit tightly in cling wrap and have minimal discoloration for a day or two. Even if there is light discoloration, you can simply cut that part off before you use the rest of the avodcado. Even the tightest-wrapped guacamole will discolor and deteriorate because of all the oxygen and inevitable bacteria, etc. that were introduced when the avodado was cut up and mixed with a bunch of other stuff.

    Second, if you're making a sandwich, why not simply cut a few slices of avocado, add a few thin slices of onion, a few sprigs of cilantro, whatever instead of making up guacamole? It's a lot less likely to come squirting out the sides of the sandwich when you bite into it.

  2. Janet, that sounds more or less right (except that it's one crostino, two crostini). The size difference is usually quite a bit, and size is important in this case (the -ino ending connotes small size). I'm not sure one could grill a crostino-sized piece of bread without having it fall into the fire. I also believe they come from different culinary traditions within Italy, and therefore have different traditional treatments and adornments. Bruschetta are most often made of slices from a relatively large, rustic "peasant bread" and rubbed with garlic after they are grilled. Crostini are more often made from more refined "baguette-style" bread, and don't typically get a rubbing of garlic. One is also much more likely to see things like liver pate and black truffles on crostini, whereas bruschette are more often topped with more rustic preparations.

    I wonder why, in America, we have come to know crostini by the plural form and bruschetta by the singular form?

    Of course, the real answer is that crostini and bruschette are simply names for more or less the same thing (toasted/grilled bread) that came up in different areas of Italy. Italy is full of different names for the same thing. I can remember a friend of mine in Le Marche explaining about a certain flatbread that is common in central Italy: "over in that town they call it piadina, but in such-and-such town it's cresce -- we call it crostolo." For example, another Italian toasted bread name is fett'unta meaning "greasy slice" (fetta = "slice"; unta = "greasy").

    So, to a certain extent, this question may be asking the difference between a hero and a grinder and a submarine and a hoagie. One can make generalities, such as "they tend to be like this in the area where they're called hoagies and they tend to be this other way in the area where they're called grinders." But, fundamentally they're all names for the same thing.

  3. I've gained some small amount of insight into this through my participation in the efforts to get Laird's bonded into NYC. Chris sums it up pretty well: The wholesaler/importers and distributors are protected by state laws, and they do hat they want to do. They're interested in making lots of money, and if they could make the same profit by bringing in one brand each of vodka, gin, etc. instead of 20, that's what they would do. I have to believe that distributors are not in the business because they "have a mission in life to bring as broad a variety as possible of quality spirits to the public."

    What does this mean? I have been given to understand that, in NY at least, it is against the law for a store to sell or a bar to serve any alcoholic beverage that is not on the "list" of one of the distributors licensed by New York State. So, that's one hurdle: just getting on someone's list. There's no going over to a New Jersey wholesaler and coming back with a dozen cases of an unavailable-in-NY spirit to sell in NY.

    From what I have been able to gather, distributors will often reach agreements with large holding companies (e.g., Diageo) or producers whereby all or most of that company's portfolio will be added to the distributor's list for a given state or states. I can only imagine that it's a lot more work for smaller companies to get on a distributor's list. I don't know what kinds of hoops LeNell has to jump through in order to sell her private bottling Red Hook Rye.

    The next hurdle is convincing the distributor to actually bring the product in to their warehouse. As others have mentioned, they have to be convinced that there is money to be made by stocking the product -- or that there are other enticements (e.g., maintaining a good relationship with a certain company. etc.). I am aware of certain bottlings that have ultimately found their way into NY because influential bar people and liquor stores kept on asking the company to make certain of their offerings available in NY, the company contacted the distributor to say "we have people in NY who want this offering, which is on your list, and we would like you to stock some of it in NY," and then there was a concerted effort among certain bars and liquor shops to make sure they kept on ordering and using the product to make sure it continued to be stocked. But it took a long time to make this happen.

    Erik, with respect to Montecristo silver, you're looking at the third hurdle: getting stores to stock the liquor once it's made its way onto the list and into the warehouse. For example, bars in NYC have historically had little trouble getting in Marie Brizard orange curacao. But it was worth your life to find it in a retail store (it still is very hard to find at retail). For a white rum, it's unclear that a liquor store has a great deal of motivation to bring in Montecristo when Bacardi, the industry leader, can be had for very little.

  4. I had an opportunity to try both test batches of Angostura Orange, and they both impressed mightily. I have every reason to believe that the roll out will put them at the head of an impressive class now including Gary's, Fee's, The Bitter Truth and Hermes. On another note... I wish more of these companies would try their hand at grapefruit bitters, lime bitters, lemon bitters (although there are two examples of this one now). Bergamot bitters would be very interesting.

  5. For me it's always been: using a spoon when twirling long strand pasta. We have a family story from when my mother was living in Rome after the war: she was starting on a place of pasta in a trattoria, using a spoon in what was then the normal practice in America. An elderly gentleman jumped up from the next table exclaiming, "no, signorina!" in mock horror and proceeded to explain/demonstrate that one simply twirls the fork on the plate.

  6. Dave: would fine-as-snow ice really mangle mint?

    Also, as for the frosting, I use metal-on-metal Boston shakers, and find that I always end up with frost on both parts of the shaker before I even finish shaking.

  7. alanamoana: afaik Lyle's is made from sucrose. Some of it is inverted, and that is blended back with the rest, which is not inverted. It is extremely concentrated such that, even at room temperature it is possible to hold a spoonfull of it upside-down, and it must be scraped off the spoon with a finger (it has even been used as a reference standard for viscosity).

  8. Awesome. Thanks for the interesting quote, Dave (and you for yours, George). I wonder why it is that no one seems to churn, roll or shake Juleps anymore, and this practice seems to have largely gone away? Now that I think about it, it makes sense considering that we swizzle Swizzles.

    Also, I gather that recycling the mint was relatively commonplace?

  9. The two-tin pouring sounds like fun, yea. :smile:

    I'm still not convinced about the vigorous mixing. Even churning with a spoon, while not "disallowed," hardly seems "standard." Most recipes I've seen (and this goes back to at least Jerry Thomas's instructions) don't mention anything beyond perhaps a slight stir. Many/most of them don't seem to say anything about mixing at all (interestingly, JT's instructions for the Georgia Mint Julep "stir with a spoon" whereas his instructions for all the other Juleps as well as those for the Smash do not mention mixing of any kind.

  10. Erik, I'm not positive about #4 above. I think a Julep can be mixed vigorously (cf. Dave's shaking method) but doesn't necessarily have to be. Actually, most recipes don't seem to include vigorous mixing.

    I also wonder whether #6 really applies to anyone other than JT. Certainly there are a lot of drinks today called a "Smash" of one kind or another that couldn't in any way be described as "Julep-like."

  11. if you supersaturate your solution, even with a doctor such as glucose or corn syrup, there's still a possibility of crystallization.  usually brought on by agitation of the syrup.

    How do they manage it for something like Lyle's Golden Syrup, then? I mean, that stuff is incredibly thick at room temperature -- way too thick to be useful in cocktails -- and has to be supersaturated. And yet, I've never had any crystallization in a jar or can or Lyle's. Not once. Honey is also a lot thicker than even a highly concentrated simple syrup, and while crystallization does sometimes happen with honey, it's not all that often.

    Re supersaturation: I assume that any sugar syrup that has to be heated in order to dissolve the sugar into the water is technically supersaturated at room temperature, yes?

    I'm getting ready to start a simple syrup experiment making old-style gomme syrup, which is a highly concentrated sugar syrup that has the additional component of gum arabic. I plan to include around 10% glucose, but I also wonder how the gum arabic will affect the tendency to crystallize.

  12. Yep. There's even a thread on it here.

    The Per Se Cocktail

    2 oz : Ciroc vodka

    1 oz : Pineau des Charentes

    Rinse : Grand Marnier

    Dash a little Grand Marnier into a chilled cocktail glass. Rotate to evenly coat and shake out the excess. Stir vodka and Pineau des Charentes with cracked ice and strain into prepared cocktail glass. Garnish with a gooseberry and lime twist (the actual garnish changes, but this is the one from the article).

  13. most simple syrup recipes are just 1:1 by weight of sugar to water.  if you're really lazy, you can do it by volume, but you won't get as much sugar in there...depends on what you're using it for.

    For cocktail use, the modern standard is 1:1 by volume. This is what is specified in almost every modern professional cocktail recipe you will see. It does not need to be heated, as equal volumes of sugar and water will form a solution without heating.

    Clearly, of course, it is possible to get a highly concentrated sugar syrup without crystalization. A good example would be Lyle's Golden Syrup.

    Pastry-types will likely know better than I, but doesn't around 10% glucose help to prevent crystalization even in highly concentrated syrups?

  14. The ratio is crucial. Sounds like it's over-saturated. Also, presumably you are using the corn syrup with the idea that glucose helps to prevent crystalization? Keep in mind that corn syrup, Karo for example, can be as little as 15% to 20% glucose.

  15. Mozza serves Neopolitan-style pizza, and by many accounts New York's best example of that genre is Patsy's.

    In the immortal words of Buckaroo Banzai: yes on one and no on two.

    Yea, they're making Neapolitan-style pizza at Mozza. At it's broadest definition, "Neapolitan-style" means individual-sized, thin crusted pizza with sparse (and largely traditional) toppings baked at high temperature in an Italian-style wood-fired oven. "new Neapolitan-style" takes the toppings concept in the direction of a Chez Panisse-inspired asthetic, with nontraditional but still impeccably fresh (local, seasonal) toppings -- a good example might be something like "spicy cauliflower." The pizza meny at Pizzeria Mozza seems fairly traditional, with a sprinkling of new Neapolitan-style offerings. I can only assume that Bruni has plentyenough experience in this area without going to Patsy's. Which brings me to...

    No, Patsy's East Harlem is not making Neapolitan-style pizza. They are making coal-fired NYC-style pizza. This is larger, has a crust that is made with hard flour instead of soft flour, has toppings that are not within either the old or new Neapolitan-styles (pepperoni and low-moisture mozzarella?), is baked in a coal-fired oven which imparts a more aggressive char, etc. Patsy's is not an appropriate frame of reference for someplace like Pizzeria Mozza, for the same reason that lots of people in NYC don't "get" pizzerie like Franny's and Fornino.

    I don't get that the Mozza article is connected to NY at all -- and I don't see any reason why it should be. If Bruni happened to take a jaunt out to Moldavia and wrote an article about a restaurant in Suceava in which Joe Bastianich was a partner, would he have to include a survey of all the Moldavian restaurants in Queens? The Mozza article is about something interesting that's happening in Los Angeles, and Bruni's expertise and understanding of this kind of pizza certainly seems to be miles ahead of many NYC critics (not to mention eG Forums participants) who kvetched about the prices, absence of Hormel pepperoni and lack of slices at Franny's.

  16. (at John's..that's considered decent, right?)

    Meh. Once upon a time, maybe. Not now.

    If I were going to show an Italan some old-school NYC pizza that I thought was both outstanding in its class, distinctly American but still understandable to an Italian I can't think of anywhere better than Patsy's East Harlem (places like Fornino, Franny's, Una Pizza Napoletana, etc. don't count). Maybe Grimaldi's at the noon hour, but even they have a pretty heavy hand with the toppings even at their best.

  17. Well, perhaps if he were going to opine about the state of pizza in NYC, or about NYC pizza places. Not sure it disqualifies him from writing about a "Chez Panisse-influenced new-Neapolitan style" pizzeria in California, though. I mean, presumably the guy ate plenty of pizza in Italy and Mozza is clearly not on the American model.

  18. The freezing and storing differences also account for the reason it's impossible to have decent gelato at home or from the supermarket. The lower temperature in home and supermarket freezers causes a change in the ice crystals that cannot be remedied by thawing (I forget exactly what the change is... I think they get fewer and bigger?). Companies like Ciao Bella that make packaged gelato are forced to include stabilizers, etc. to make their products seem more "gelato-like" despite being subjected to longer-term storage and lower temperatures. This is why the ingredient list for their chocolate gelato looks like this: "Milk, Cream, Sugar, Cocoa (Processed with Alkali), Corn Syrup, Buttermilk, Corn Syrup Solids, Whey, Peanut Oil, Guar Gum [emulsifier, stabilizer, thickener], Locust Bean Gum [thickener, gelling agent, retards ice crystal growth], and Carrageenan [thickener, stabilizer]."

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