for the sake of clarity, i would like to stipulate that i do not know soba, and i've neither met him nor had private correspondence with him. with that in mind, soba's comments may be telling in the sense that he is relaying a simple ideal that the egullet community tries hard to follow. for the most part, successfully. jinmyo, my point was hardly sour, but honest and sincere. fat guy: new brunswick? cool. cluck u chicken is great. i have cousin a who's going to rutgers now. if you bump into him, please say 'hi' for me. edit: jinmyo was probably talking about her comment being sour, rather than mine. oh well, what can ya do?