Carema; Great post. I was just trying to provide an example with the Martinelli. As it is a judgement call, I prefer less extracted, old world style wines to the big fruit bomb new world style generally, but would certainly not turn down a Turley product (actually do not turn down much of anything). Sometimes I find all the alcohol in the "over extracted" wines to be unpleasant, thowing the balance off for my taste. The beauty of this beverage is you have to find your own way.