OK, we've determined the following: 1) gordon has a nice floor 1a) gordon is a slum-lord 2) brining is for pretentious twits with too much time on their hands who figure "it can't hurt." 3) run-of-the-mill store-bought birds might benefit from brining, and are surely for tourists 4) kosher birds are better than run-of-the-mill store-bought birds now, my question is, should i get one of them there "fresh" birds? please discuss.