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Bayless might be making a bit less than this, simply because he is not quite up there in "Emeril land" in terms of name recognition... but I can virtually guarantee his compensation was not in the low six figures.
Gosh! Guess he can afford the Wine Clip now.
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Wine drinkers / buyers are typically in a higher income bracket and can afford it
Flattery will get you everywhere--or at least $79.
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I'm interested too.
And of course in how just much filthy lucre Rick is now rolling in. Ankle depth? Waist?
I mean I hope it wasn't just a few bob.
I'm thinking low 6 figures. But that's a total guess.
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Is "Pie and Burger" in Pasadena still there? I have fond memories of going to look at the Rose Parade floats Jan 2 and then eating at P&B.
Alive and kicking. Guy who owned it sold it (cheaply, I'm told) to one of his employees who's carrying on.
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Let's hope Rick will come to his senses like Hugh(had the most beautiful woman in the world as a girlfriend) Grant did the day after he was arrested for soliciting a hooker and say "What the f**kl was I thinkin'?"
Baby did a baaad baaad thing!
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It would be like William Burroughs doing a Nike commercial.
Actually, I can see him getting off on the "woosh."
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LeRoy Neiman created LeRoy Neiman's posters. Rick Bayless had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of this "palatable" sandwich. Exposing people to LeRoy Neiman's posters exposes them to LeRoy Neiman's work. Exposing people to Burger King's sandwich does not expose them to Rick Bayless's work. The only exposure is to Rick Bayless in a television advertisement, in which the theme is "forget about all this fresh produce; Burger King gives it all to you in this palatable sandwich."
Isn't this really the point? Neiman is serving up crappy posters and trying to sell them for wads of dough as art that he has made. Bayless is just shilling a sandwich he never made. Anybody can see that. It's advertising.
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I agree with Steven on this one. Its not like Bayless is just a regular member of the organization where his actions are of limited importance -- he's an officer and member of the Board of Overseers. His endorsement of Burger King puts the entire reputation of Chefs Collaborative at risk and is divergent with the Mission Statement that Bayless assisted in authoring.
So, excommunicate him!
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We're actually raising the price to $79.
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BAYLESS IS GOD!!!
My mind drifts back to a 1969 CSNY concert at the Greek Theater when kids in the crowd were yelling "Stills for President!" People cheered and laughed. Who ever dreamed that someone like Arnold could be Governor?
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I do hope you’re wrong on this point, but I mentioned my experience with BK’s LeRoy Neiman posters during the ’76 Olympics because it did open up my worldview on contemporary art, and the move was greeted with similar outrage in by the high minded in artistic quarters at the time. Bayless has reached many through his restaurants, through PBS, and his books.
Perhaps Dali is a better modern art example what with his "limited" editions, etc. Neiman is about one small step above Thomas Kinkade in my book.
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So I would appreciate it if you'd either stop implying that I have a moral or political objection to fast food, or help me to understand how anything I've said has implied such an objection. Because if I have said it or implied it, I'd like to correct myself.
Steven,
It seems as if you can't "punish" Bayless or Eliot, you want to punish yourself. You're OK. It's just the emphasis on sellout/sin that's reminiscent of Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.
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Maybe he is the new Clapton...
This note's for you!
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Steven I’m a little taken aback that a veteran food writer would pass along the old canard that higher quality products and more costly food techniques can be done for the same price. They cannot. If you have such business acumen then open the shop yourself and teach agri-business and the restaurant industry a thing or two.
The proof that higher quality can be had without a significant price increase (what I said was "hardly any more," not "the same price," and I'll keep pointing it out every time you misquote me or try to evade context, so why don't you try to keep that under control, okay?) is all around us. Nobody needs me to open a restaurant to prove that. Look at In-N-Out Burger, White Manna, or any of a dozen other single-unit and small-chain operations where they sell hamburgers made from fresh, never-frozen, beef and fries from potatoes cut on premises. It doesn't cost anymore to eat at those places than at McDonald's. If that doesn't prove my point, I don't know what evidence you would accept. Yet McDonald's does much better business than those places. There is in fact a McDonald's directly across the street from White Manna in Hackensack and I bet that McDonald's sells more hamburgers per day. Likewise, as I've repeated a number of times now, there are a near-infinite number of potential options, ranging from wholesome and delicious to the nasty garbage that Burger King serves, at whatever price point you want to name. Whatever budget you want to set -- $8, $4, or $2 -- good food can be had.
Bourdain is primarily a writer and polemicist. The Howard Stern to most chefs Jerry Seinfeld. With all his bulls*it about Emeril Lagasse, he jumped at the chance to join the Food Network and I say, good for him. He’s a hustler with wares to sell of his own.Bourdain is a lot of things -- call him just about any name you like, I won't mind and neither will he -- but there's one thing he's not: a hustler. Tony is the genuine article and is more honest than a fucking Vulcan. You know, Eliot, in your attempts to discredit the straw man you've created, you've managed to introduce quite a bit of sanctimony of your own.
FG, I think you and Eliot are placing a different gloss/value on the term Hustler. Eliot as I get it uses it as a descriptive term but not a pejorative one. You seem to accentuate the pejorative. Which I think is sorta his overall point. Some folks admire hustlers who can pull it off. Certainly, Bourdain does.
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How about "Tony Bourdain here for The Patch..."
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There's absolutely no reason why Burger King can't deliver fresh chicken breasts to every restaurant, flame broil them, prep and cook peppers and onions to go with them, put them on bread with crust, add a decent quality tomato-based sauce, and sell them for hardly any more than they're charging for the Bayless sandwich.
It's a competition. They are trying to become the Lowest Common Dominator.
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Certainly, nobody who is familiar with Bourdain's work would accuse him of being utopian, yet he's coming down on Bayless as hard as anyone.
Over on Chowhound, they've been discussing the "scandal" of Tony's being caught eating health food! In a way, it might have made more sense if Bourdain had endorsed the sandwich. And probably would sold more sandwiches in the process. And, frankly. more people would have been pissed off when they didn't like the sandwich. Maybe Bayless had it his way.
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My personal philosophy is to try to keep an open mind to all things. I think this works very well in the world of food and wine. I have tried and liked some things that either I previously disliked (e.g. eggplant) or been surprised by others that either I expected to dislike and liked or expected to like and didn't.
I completely agree, especially with regard to eggplant. Although with eggplant, liking or disliking varies considerably with preparation and execution.
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Tanino's is good, but it's not in Mori's league. In its league--Italian with nice vibe and good food--it's a cut above like all the Drago family spots.
Tanino's is nice--a good choice in Westwood, for sure. But in my book, Angelini Osteria has much better food.
H'wood--do you mean Di Mori in Beverly Hills? I've not been there...
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The Watts Towers were a regular landmark on my commute.
Sounds like you've done most everything. The Towers, however, are more than a drive by thing. You should actually get out and go on the tour which explains all about em and take some photos. They may not be there forever.
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My Bakker analogy grew from reading this thread and what I believe to be the utopia of freshly picked dew kissed vegetables and wholesome, quickly served meals presumed, by some, to be available for the workers of the world and the attendant moralizing that seems to go hand in hand with such judgment. This is why I’m not surprised you introduced the word “sin” in your latest post to this discussion or why I said this reminds me of gangster rap fans who find out their favorite rapper grew up middle-class.
You've tapped into a certain Puritanical aspect of this thread. It seems inevitable in any "sell out" discussion.
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Dennis, I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict that the testing results will be inconclusive at best. So, I suggest you get hold of the marketing people at Trader Joe's and work out some deal whereby they sell a Clip for say a $1.99 to everybody who buys a case of Two Buck Chuck. I think that's your niche.
Hollywood: Now that he's a Gov., I think you have a better chance filling in for Arnold in the next Terminator movie.
Yeah, but I'd probably do a better job filling in for him as gov. And, I'm just trying to offer you a money making suggestion. Isn't this a profit thing?
$1.99 + your advise = less than the cost of a subway ride.
I suggest you keep the $1.99 for acting lessons. Maybe you'll find your niche starring in a B-grade movie.
In the mean time, I'll stick to creating the business plans.
Is The Wine Clip afraid to take on Two Buck Chuck? Maybe you're right. Probably nothing can save that stuff. But candidly, I think the appeal of the Clip will turn out to be more that of a conversation piece (witness this thread) a la the Ouija Board than a serious wine improvement product. I'm just thinking you'd make a lot more $$$, selling a million at $1.99 plus whatever Trader Joe's might kick in than selling 47 at $4.99. Plus you'd get all the marketing thru the Fearless Flyer and in-store displays.
As for some proposed movie career, can't I just run the Clip over my DVDs and make my features A-Grade? God, wait till Dennis Woodruff gets this idea!
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Looks like Food Zealot's link covers the waterfront. OTOH, are there places today that will be considered classics tomorrow? Spago, etc. Also, hope you go to the Watts Towers if you've never been.
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Dennis, I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict that the testing results will be inconclusive at best. So, I suggest you get hold of the marketing people at Trader Joe's and work out some deal whereby they sell a Clip for say a $1.99 to everybody who buys a case of Two Buck Chuck. I think that's your niche.
Hollywood: Now that he's a Gov., I think you have a better chance filling in for Arnold in the next Terminator movie.
Yeah, but I'd probably do a better job filling in for him as gov. And, I'm just trying to offer you a money making suggestion. Isn't this a profit thing?
Rick Bayless and Burger King - Part 1
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I see this as similar to the time when Bob Vila started doing Sears Ads. Then it seems like he got booted from This Old House. Wonder if Rick is gonna get tossed from PBS?