tommy

A bunch disdainful diners can't be a very pleasant sight or good for business.

yeah, they do a decent job on the low-end. and they make very NYC restaurant-appropriate shoes from what i've seen.

Isabella Fiore, Manolos, Prada, Jimmy Choo, Nine West, Enzo. or so i'm told.

we're going to get you and R. out to China 46 very very soon. but we'll discuss that on another thread. right now we have to try to remember what we ate and who said what to whom.

you mean like a swingers kind of thing? i hadn't given that much thought. i'll get back to you.

excellent meal. now, who remembers any details.

no english muffin pizzas? count me out.

assuming they're all about the same, and i have to assume just that, expect, among other things, an english muffin pizza, which is kinda fun.

haven't been since the beginning of april. it seems they're hit or miss. regarding the service, i don't expect much, so i'm rarely let down. but on my last visit it was much too slow. overall, the place seems hit-or-miss. and that can be an expensive and frustrating "miss".

and all of that before dinner service *tonight*.

oh no!! it needs a bit of ice to melt a wee bit, no? and isn't the best part at the bottom when it's a cold mixture of water and soda? say it ain't so.

cool. so i won't bother tipping you 20% on my kim crawford because i know i'm being ignored and not getting the best service. you just saved me a couple of bucks.

i'm bringing prosecco, but the more bubbles the better!

that's much better than 7, which i probably couldn't have made very easily.

what is the time on this thing? put me down for presecco, some run-of-the-mill Dr. L Riesling, and i think a dessert wine or sherry.

law and banking, according to one poster.

nope. not surprised at all. why would i be? many industries are losing the casual wear thing. whether or not that particular trend will bring back those styles of the 80's and early 90's remains to be seen. personally, i doubt it. we have a generation dominating the workforce that has never had to wear a suit to work. but that's another discussion, and one based purely on opinion, altogether. we seem to have differing opinions on a few of these points. that's another great thing about NYC: you can't be overdressed.

I'm pretty sure I was told to wear jacket and tie at Picholine when I dined there recently. i hesitantly respond to this, because it has been about 4 years since my last visit to picholine, but i was certainly not wearing a tie, and no one looked twice. if anything, this might be a sign of blurry standards, and i certainly don't want those decisions put in the hands of the host on duty. going with the flow, i think, works.

that's the interesting thing, though, pan. a lot of people where a suit and tie every day. it becomes something completely un-special. it's a uniform to a lot of people, and one that they'd just as soon lose after 10 hours if at all possible. hell, just pulling off a tie makes you feel like you've just broken out of shackles for some people. personally, i'm happy that the trend in fine dining, and i would say in NYC overall, is getting away from formal dress, into whatever it's morphing into. everyone looks good in a smart suit, and i would say that most people even feel good in a smart suit. but the concept of the suit as a dinner uniform is becoming a thing of the past. yay. women, however, have a lot of wiggle room. but they always look smart, so it's ok.

this one,yes?

so plan on 66 as a baseline for tax and ~20% tip. anything extra, i'd say, is at the diner's discretion. thanks again ant-nee for putting this together.

i don't think the prices include tax and tip. ant-nee, are they charging us a bit more given the extra special selections? let's definitely try to come up with a total number beforehand so we can show up with the right amount and no one is surprised.

you're not allowed to sit near each other as it will make the balance of conversation unfair. otherwise i'll be staring at curlz trying to think of something to say at one end and you and your friends and your guitarist will be at the other end wooping it up. and so we're all clear, i'm the one who discovered this restaurant, damnit.

I thought it was: "It's not the heat, it's the stupidity". right again. i suppose there are less jackets, and certainly less ties, at NYC restaurants on Saturday night, as there are less people running around in suits and ties on Saturday in general.

and i sweat more than most people. however, it seems obvious that you'll spend a fraction of your time on the car, and more time getting to the car and sometimes waiting. in my experience, a several block walk to a subway, a 7 minute wait on a platform, a 8 minute ride in the car, and a 6 minute walk to a restaurant = big sweaty mess.