Ok thanks, I look forward to seeing you recipe; tonight, I'll try it with a little baking powder too then, 1/2 tsp to start. I too use a fan assisted oven, and for this recipe at least I set it to 220*C (actually, by trial and error I've found it needs 10-20*C more [235*C here] because the seal is broken). Yeah... I don't usually take too long from mixing wet & dry ingredients to having them in the oven but I'll try to be quicker. I also noticed that the BBC recipe made a specific mention of not twisting the cutter. I do a little, I'll make sure to avoid that. The milky advice is good. I'll take more care with that!