bkeith, I truly appreciate the effort that must have taken. Thanks so much. It is MUCH clearer now (a pictures worth ... and all that). I finally understand the ASCII picture now, it's a top down view! I feel kinda stupid. Out of curiosity, where did you get the third arm to take the pic with you holding two spatulas. Impressive. Kathyf, thank you for your suggestion as well. I think that between bkeith's demo, your suggestion, and the other hints, I will be able to make an adequately square cake. The wedding isn't until August 6th, so I have some time for experimentation, thankfully. I suppose it's pretty overall, but I just can't work up much excitement for making four ivory bricks. Apparently, the brides are all about picking out cake designs that please THEM! Jeez. What about MY wants!