daisy17

It appears that demi-glace is reduced/strained/finished Espagnole. Tomato sauce = Sauce tomatee Want to trade Escoffier for Charles H. Baker?

Reviving this thread, hoping to end some confusion on my part. What makes a daisy a daisy? Chartreuse? An incredibly knowledgeable bartender taught me this. Embury uses it too. Soda water? Grenadine? In "Joy of Mixology," my new favorite book, Gary says that "Sours that are sweetened by grenadine, rather than simple syrup, were once known as Daisies." It sounds as though Embury agreed - "Daisies usually use raspberry syrup or grenadine." But then he says that's relatively unimportant. And he floats chartreuse on top of his gin daisy. So which is it?? Not only do the Jerry Thomas recipes not have many common ingredients as ThinkingBartender pointed out, but neither do the Savoy's, which variously use curacao, grenadine, maraschino, and gomme syrup as sweeteners. I realize that there may not be a hard and fast rule here but I'd love some more insight.

or I could have just said that.

Thanks Daisy. What does the reference to cheeseburgers mean? ← That it's a "Jewish deli" but non-Kosher/observant. The laws of Kosher prohibit the mixing of milk and meat, so in a Kosher restaurant you would never find them both served - the kitchen is either one or the other. (Like Ratner's, for example, which was a dairy-only restaurant.) So a kosher Jewish deli (meat) would never serve dairy products, let alone a cheeseburger. But I was in Russ & Daughters a couple of weeks ago (appetizing is usually dairy) and they were selling chicken soup and it surprised me. All of this from a pork-loving secular jew who grew up in a kosher home (not sure why I even notice these things) . . . . Sorry for the digression. Katz's is a NY institution and not to be missed. Even if they start serving shrimp.

They sell cheeseburgers and they're open on Passover.

it/i was there last night, you should definitely stop in!

the asparagus w/miso butter and poached egg makes my knees weak. glad to hear it's back!

Haven't eaten in a while but think warm, neighborhood Mesa Grill (but with good food). And the bar area is a decent size for the space. Good for a pre-din drink. Their site gives a good idea of what to expect. http://www.hellskitchen-nyc.com/about.html ← I agree - the food is pretty good. I was there in the fall. Very neighborhoody though, no db bistro atmosphere/service thing going on there.

Sosa Borella. have been for lunch. nothing exciting at all, but that area sucks. (I used to work around the corner . . . . ) Baldoria is right there on 49th and 8th - the food is excellent. My favorite place in the area BY FAR. Bar Americain is ok, but there's so little in the neighborhood . . . . Loud, pretty good vibe. Food is mediocre. db bistro is on 44th? too far/foodie-ish?

Jeans at either place are absolutely fine.

City Bakery is still one of my weekend favorites for the pretzel croissant or a tart. Amazing tarts. And chocolate chip cookies. And hot chocolate or lemonade depending on the weather.

When I was a kid my parents would drag us on Sunday to the Lower East Side, the land of my immigrant ancestors. We'd stop at Gus's for pickles, a cheese shop for farmer cheese, and Ratners for onion rolls, blintzes and pierogen. But Ratner's is gone, so my favorite is Russ & Daughters - was just there the other day - it's a few doors down from Katz's - traditional Jewish "appetizing," which amounts to the best breakfast you'll ever have. (Is that word even used outside NY?) They've got incredible smoked fish (lox, sable and whitefish), addictive whitefish salad (that I firmly believe is laced with crack cocaine - I can't stop eating the stuff), assorted cream cheese, herring, etc. I love this place, and it's one of the very few left of its kind. And other than Barney Greengrass I was hard-pressed to think of others. Uniquely New York. You can't sit at eat at R&D which sucks if you're a tourist, but you should stop in anyway. You could make a picnic out of it if it's nice out. Barney Greengrass serves breakfast/brunch. If you're here over Easter, it's Passover too, but that shouldn't affect your ability to get Jewish food at non-kosher places like Katz's. For crying out loud, R&D sells chicken soup - I'm sure they'll have bagels during passover. Just a few doors down from R&D is Yonah Schimmel knishes. Quintessential jewish new york as well, it's been there forever.

We were THIS close to getting the hamachi but passed it over in favor of the clay pot which seemed like a better choice on such a cold night. Next time. And chawan mushi, which I know you love. That would be simply insane. They are two of my absolute favorite places right now.

Momo II last night at about 8:40, 45 minute wait was really half that. Love the music, energy, happy people stuffing their faces, knowledgable and friendly staff. It's loud but it completely works, and it puts me in a really good mood. I still need to go back. Have not had the chawan mushi or the uni. We have a habit of overordering at Momo I (aka noodle bar) and have decided to try to control ourselves. Brussel sprouts with chiles and fish sauce. Yum, I was craving brussel sprouts all day. Spicy and salty, satisfies a multitude of desires. Apple salad. I dont know what fault anyone could find with pork-flavored crunchy apples, which is pretty much what this dish amounts to. I love it. He not so much. Banh mi. Crazy delicious. We were both blown away by it - there's so much going on in that sandwich, but it's really something else. The kind of thing I'll crave at the most random and inopportune times. Chicken leg clay pot. Perfect for a disgustingly cold and damp night like last night. On previous visits I've had a variety of other things - ham, rice cakes, short rib clay pot, etc., all of which I've really enjoyed. Am incredibly aware of how blasphemous some of you are going to find this, but I'm going to say it anyway. I'll preface by noting that I really, really like Momo Ssam. I can find no fault with the place, other than it being crowded all the time. The food is excellent, the cooking more refined. But Noodle Bar has dishes that I literally dream about, wake up in the morning thinking about, make plans around. Ssam is awesome, but I crave Noodle Bar. Asparagus with miso butter and poached egg in the spring, sugar snap peas with horseradish in the summer, fiery kimchi stew in the winter. And the brussel sprouts at Noodle Bar kick Ssam brussel sprout ass - I'll take them with kimchi and bacon any day. Other than the bahn mi I haven't yet had that experience at Ssam. But I'm not done - still haven't had the chawan mushi . . . .

oh, right. thanks. have blocked that place completely out of my mind . . .

what did i miss?

but it's a 3 minute walk from murrays!

Cru! It was one of most memorable meals I had last year (and ever, really) and there were some really good ones . . . . The food is stellar, the atmosphere is on the sedate/upscale quiet side, the service is attentive but not stuffy. Expensive but amazing. (These request threads are so funny - we (myself included) all recommend our favorites again and again. I like Cru? Nathan likes Perry St?) Agree with all that's been said. The food at Cafe Gray is excellent. Robuchon is ridiculously expensive and the layout of the room makes me think it might not feel special enough.

For dinner, Parea (Greek, Flatiron) has really good food and can accommodate large parties. The menu is really set up to share too. I've gotten many a reservation for a large group in a pinch. inoteca (Italian small plates/LES) has a downstairs room and they may be able to take a large group. For brunch = dim sum in Chinatown?

Otto is good b/c they take large parties but damn that is a loud room. They may also make you do some kind of fixed menu. Worth a try. Tia pol takes resys for large groups for 2 seatings at like 6:30 and 9. Freeman's takes resys for groups of six or more - you could do dinner or brunch. Great cocktails. I assume that when you called for Balth they checked bookings for Pastis as well? Will keep thinking.

maybe, just dont tell rich. Now you really owe me a cocktail.

Not that I obsessively read your posts or anything, but: Russian Tea Room Klee ← nope, i haven't been to either - ? there can't be another daisy17 . . . . (can't wait to hear who you've confused me with!)

I don't remember ever disagreeing with Sneakeater on liking a restaurant, but I do like Peasant. Have only been once, but the food was pretty freaking good. It is dark, I must give you that.

what exactly could be as good as In N Out?!

right?