I have to admit, I was quite surprised to discover all of the chain-hate on this board. For as long as I can remember I, and everyone I know, has dined primarily at chains, Fridays, Olive Garden, Red Lobster, etc. It is even to the point where what we would consider a 'higher end' restaurant would be simply on the slightly more upscale end of mainstream, such as the Macaroni Gril. Now, I have to say that I have had very few bad meals at these places... but as somone said earlier in this thread, perhaps I have just never had a wonderful one either to compare it to. Perhaps my range of experiences lacks entries in the sublime and thus my scale is warped such that well executed mediocrity excites me. I have in my life dined at two establishments I would consider 'fine dining' although perhaps they don't at all compare to where some of you have been. One was a Sullivan's Steak House (I had no idea this was a chain until reading this thread), and the other was the Green Room at the Hotel DuPont (probably the finest hotel and French restaurant in Delaware... not that that is necessarily saying much). I have to say I was incredibly impressed with Sullivans, and I easily saw how it was much better than Outback (which has never impressed me in general), but the Hotel DuPont left me wanting.... Perhaps I didn't order the right entree, perhaps I was just not prepared for high end French cuisine, or perhaps the place simply is not as wonderful as it is hyped up to be. What really surprises me is that I have always found Olive Garden to serve up fairly good pasta (even if it is apparently not authentic Italian). Living in the northern Delaware shadow of Philadelphia little Italian Sub/Steak/Pizza/Pasta shops are a dime a dozen, and I have sampled the offerings of many, and from most it was not as good as what you get from Olive Garden or the Macaroni Grill. Perhaps I actually need to drive into the city to find the real deal, or maybe I just don't know what good pasta should taste like. I would assume that what tastes the best is the best... but maybe that is also a flawed assumption. All in all I have become very interested in both learning how to cook as well as learning what fine dining actually is, and hopefully expanding my horizons some. Having browsed over the 'dinner' thread and seeing the wonderful creations that Jinmyo comes up with is certainly encouraging me to seek out more exciting foodstuffs, I have never encountered anything remotely similar to the quality of what she appears to create on a menu anywhere. So while I do see more chain visits in the near future as I will be dragged when the choice is up to friends and family, I am hoping that I can also add in some better alternatives, and maybe start to catch up on what I have apparently been missing.