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hey Jasie, thanks for that link. I live in SO but when we come up to visit SIL in Aloha, I've ended up going to the Winco for Green Sauce ingredients cuz they're big and have all the stuff. Not always true of the smaller Latino markets. That Grande looks like they might know what they're doin'. Cool. Thanks.

I'm not sure you should cringe. Kansas is what it is. One of the main differences I've observed in 15 years spent in pretty rural Southern Oregon-but true of the state as a whole-is that Oregonians are in tune with, & love and embrace, their Agricultural heritage(along with their Oregon Trail and Western Heritage) and as such, you find rural restaurants and outposts that have many things besides Iceberg Lettuce on the Menu. Kansans-and Midwesterners seem ashamed of their Ag roots and Heritage. Here you've got folks searching out heirloom plants-preserving the past and growing the future. It wouldn't take much for Agriculture and food to be a Positive instead of something to make fun of in the Midwest. My mother (88) is old enough to remember why Rosedale and Strawberry Hill got their names, and tells tales of Harvesting Potatoes and assorted other crops all up the Kaw Valley. It was a fertile bottomland full of Truck Farmers. Unfortunately Kansas may be the #1 posterchild for what happens when corporate Agriculture rules the land. It can change.

Jayhawkers are passionate, even if that passion is misguided at times. Missourians are ...um complacent.

Winco in Hillsboro or Beaverton is a good place to start. The little Mexican Flea Market in Hillsboro might help too.

DinerMiner, have you eaten at the Bunker Hill Cafe? I never have, but intend to next time I'm back that way. http://www.kansastravel.org/bunkerhillcafe.htm

You have to add the Santa Fe Trail. the Chisolm Trail, and then the Santa Fe RR into the historical mix. These trade routes made Ks. Cuisine much more oriented towards it's Southern & Western Plains neighbors then the Scandanavian /German ones to the North. Folks were hauling Hatch Chiles back and forth in the 1840s too. This is a good place to insert Michael Bauer's(Native Kansan) Kansas Fried Chicken report, with a stop at Stroud's thrown in right after he got off the plane.(previous entry). Keep clicking, as he goes several places and summarizes his thoughts at the end. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate...6&entry_id=5189

I'm assuming for geographic purposes we're actually talkin' 'bout the lake formerly known as the 7 Cities of Gold, now an official city? As a Turner/ Roeland Park kind of guy, I have spent many a fine day at said Lake. I would add that you can change your address, but you can't change your state stripes. If you were born a Jayhawker, you'll die a Jayhawker. I was puzzled when I moved to various other places and realized not all states hate each other with such zeal. What do they all do with their excess energy?

Are there Italian Steak Sandwiches at Sorrento's, by chance?

It's refreshing that you seem more interested in serving a fine meal than becoming a "Star".

here you go, UE. I'm linking the last page of the thread since it's current: http://www.kcskyscrapers.com/newforum/inde...?topic=1438.120

I was always fond of the Rings at Eaton's, 10th and Kansas Avenue. Similar to the Paul Bunyan model, almost a breading rather than crispy like fried chicken. Maybe it's a KCK thing.

Katie, why don't you open up the Chinese Category and make it "Best Asian"? Chef CAG, what is your sous chef Dave's choice for favorite Mexi place?

Here's a Rogue Creamery update- expanding production looks to be in the works, so Genny, you might get your tour eventually. http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2006/01...ories/01biz.htm Rogue Creamery has kept to three-day production weeks because of limited cold storage space. That changed on Friday when Gremmels and Bryant closed on a $1.1 million deal that gives them plenty of room to grow. Rogue Creamery purchased Central Point Cold Storage, a 22,000-square-foot refrigerated warehouse on Haskell Street, from Jerry Michael of White City. The creamery has been renting about 20 percent of the 11-year-old building, sharing space with Gary West Meats and Sabroso Co. "It’s imperative that we have the space to age our world-class cheese in state-of-the-art refrigerated coolers," Gremmels said. "We’ve been there close to three years. We started with one pallet, then two and now we have 2½ refrigeration spaces filled with blue cheeses — 100-plus pallets."

For me, Granzellas in Williams http://www.granzellas.com is the better olive sampling place over The Olive Pit http://www.olivepit.com in Corning, but I usually do both. The Bartel's at the North Corning exit off I 5, west side, serves great juicy giant burgers. Old country musician and wife have taken over Klub Klondike in Lakehead, in the midst of Lake Shasta. It's a great place to relax and have a beer, and sometimes food. The best place in Dunsmuir to me is Senthong's Thai/Asian, open 5-9 usually. They used to be over in Etna, now with a cafe, food store and music place in Dunsmuir. Besides New Sammy's, the Arbor House in Talent serves inventive dinners a few nights a week. Los Morenas on North Riverside is my current Mexican favorite in the Rogue Valley. Moist Tamales, shrimp tostadas. Muchas Gracias at the North Grants Pass Exit is a 24 hour Mexican drive thru, on 7th and the Southbound freeway entrance. Get a breakast or an Oregon Burrito to go.. Don't forget Peggy's at Rice Hill, NB,a nice spot for a break + Umpqua Ice Cream. Better than the driveinn on the southbound side. I must add Chico is not really near I 5, being clear over on 99. ps:Morning Glory and the Apple Cellar are worthy choices for breakfast/brunch in Ashland, and the Wild Goose, a diner with NW emphasis, just off the south exit in Ashland, is open early to late.

http://www.iabbq.org/modules.php?op=modloa...=article&sid=90 http://www.iabbq.org/modules.php?op=modloa...=article&sid=99 Here are a couple of links that explain how Henry Perry and Cue came to KC. I had heard that the Lenexa LC's had closed. Is that true? There are a hundred joints around KC, most of which serve cue better than Gates or Bryants. Try the Woodyard and Smokin' Guns, just to start off with 2 that don't get much publicity. In KC, it's run what you brung as far as meats. They'll try and smoke anything that moves. lamb & mutton, beef, pork, chicken, etc.+ sausages of various types. Sliced pork is a more authentic experience, along with ham, than pulled pork, which isn't indigeneous to KC.

Well, sorry about your culture aversion, but I was thinking of your son's college experience for the next 4 years, + your food options when visiting him. It's also an outdoor/adventure center and one of the only NW small town college settings. Plus it only rains 20" a year and we have palm trees, but ssssh, don't let that out.

I would suggest cutting in at Florence to Eugene, head south to Ashland, enjoy, then either head south to Redding to take Ca.299 & head back west, or take US199 back to Coast & the redwoods. Most of the people and food in Oregon are between the 2 mountain ranges.

the best food to college ratio is in Ashland, with Southern Oregon University, and 100 places to eat + great skiing, biking, etc. and an Andy Hardy atmosphere. Just a thought. http://mtashland.com http://www.sou.edu/ http://atasteofashland.com

http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?showtopic=69625 hi ya, Jesse. I think she had a good time. Bill

Maf, If you're looking for heaven on earth, you need the quines creek exit-86, a little bit south of Azelea. I noticed in the Ca. forum that you are intent on hitting National Parks, especially Redwood. In my opinion Jedadiah Smith State Park right at the Ca/Or. border is a very worthwhile stop. Same trees, less people. Also, county and state parks all through Oregon and California are pleasant stops with scenery the equal or better than the more known places, but more locals and less crowds. Don't be afraid to explore. Crater Lake visitors center is undergoing major renovation, so be prepared. It's at 9000 feet with nothing near, so take a picnic or snacks. For this reason(it really IS the middle of nowhere), Most folks enjoy staying in the Rogue Valley, enjoying Ashland/Litiha Park, Jacksonville, and the river and Grant's Pass, and doing a day tour of the Lake. Consider it. you'd enjoy it. http://www.ashlandchamber.com http://www.oregonrafting.net/cat_index_39.html http://www.hellgate.com/Page.asp?NavID=67

Our best trips(kids now 12 & 14) involve heading west From Portland to astoria-Lindstrom's Danish Maid Bakery & Lewis and Clark territory- http://www.oldoregon.com then down to Tillamook and the cheese factory tour. From there, onwards to Newport and the Oregon Aquarium, http://www.aquarium.org/ Rogue Brewery , bayfront etc. great time for kids. We usually stay in yachats, a tiny town south of waldport with cabins on the water, http://www.yachats.org then on to sea Lion Caves and to the Oregon Dunes at Florence. At Florence,turn East on 126 back to Eugene. This is a whole lot more fun than the farmland and traffic you'll find on I-5 between Portland and eugene. Pick up 5 and head south. you can either take 138 to Crater Lake, scenic but long, or head further south to the rogue valley, and do a day trip to Crater Lake( my Preference). you can raft the rogue, see a play, mountain bike down Mt. Ashland, and eat well besides. When you head over 199 to the Redwoods, Taylor's sausages has a stand in Cave Junction. Really Tasty. you'l be be right by the treehouse institute and the Oregon Caves too.. http://www.treehouses.com/treehouse/treesort/brochure0.html here's some added threads: http://www.roadfood.com/Forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3864 Ifyou go the Willamette valley way, Novak's in Albany is worth a stop http://www.novakshungarianrestaurant.com/menu.php I'll edit in some more places, but thought I better get this posted so you see it.

http://www.dailytidings.com/2005/0620/602005c1.shtml here's an interesting summation of the role Beasy Mc Millan played in Ashland's food scene.

http://www.dailytidings.com/2005/0531/053105back.shtml Andrew, who used to own The Black Sheep, has just opened this little Ashland take on tacos. I haven't tried it yet, but I like the sound of Lobster tacos. Several other new places have opened this year too, so there is exploring to do if one wants to. Susan at Global Pantry & Pilaf http://www.pilafrestaurant.com/ could give you a knowledgeable insight into the Ashland food scene, Rosie. The Outdoor Shakespeare plays have just started, and the Green Show, free in front of the theatres, is fun to catch also.

I would reverse your route and do the Utah/Arizona parks, then LV, Etc. Having lived in Arizona, and now in Southern Oregon, I've driven lots of your route, several times in certain streches. California, the Mountains and Coast especially, will seem twice as inviting after a stint in the sand and rock. Plus, you'd be driving down the coast, the preferred direction to me. Don't know whether that's feasable or not, considering your goal of seeing your son, but that's been my traveling experience over the past 20 years.

Hi Rosie, Most places in Ashland are oriented towards serving theatre goers. If you are able to wait til that crowd has dined, most any restaurant in town should be able to accomodate you. I might suggest you make your selection after you've arrived. You can relax, stroll the downtown and case out the scene on Wednesday, since you're set for that evening. We're really not a big place, though there are plenty more eateries to consider than have been mentioned here. The Farmer's market is in Medford at the Armory parking lot on Thursday. Same sellers, for the most part, as in Ashland on Tuesday. There's a really good wine shop attached to Chateaulin where you can get the lowdown on our local attractions.