The first cocktail I made for myself was a Manhattan 2:1: Templeton Rye, M&R Rosso vermouth and Angostura bitters. One of the things that struck me about the drink was the silkiness of it but I felt it was too sweet. So I dialed back on the vermouth, which resulted in loosing some of that silkiness. After some experimentation I stuck with the 2:1, but changed to the higher proof Bulleit Rye, and used a couple more splashes of bitters. Last night I tried Carpano Antica Vermouth for the first time. It was an abrupt change to what I'd been drinking. There was a Campari type of bitterness to it. I really like Campari in the Negroni, but it didn't seem right in a Manhattan, at first. After reducing the Angostura bitters to two dashes and adding a lemon zest garnish, I started to appreciate the combination more. The downside, the silkiness of the drink suffered in comparison to the M&R Rosso. So is it just sugar that adds silkiness to a drink? Or does the body of the main liquor also contribute? Is there a different vermouth out there that might get me closer to what I'm looking for? I did try 1/2 M&R and 1/2 Carpono. It was OK but somewhat confused. I've read about Gomme syrup. Can a person make a Gomme "water" instead? Then I could use Carpano but add Gomme to the drink. Do you think that would work? Any ideas welcome. Thanks, Kent