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Sammy: Thank you.

You are walking a thin line. I suggest you remove these comments from your posts and then remain on the topic which is: Does the Wine Clip work? I have posted nothing less or more than any of you. Futhermore, I have not attacked you or anyone else on a personal level, nor have I posted any defamation against your or their characters. I have sent an email to eGullet regarding the comments and expect them to end and to be removed immediatly! On a personal note, I find it hard to call a person a snake-oil salesman and a crackpot when that person works hard, has won awards for that work, continues to work even harder on something new and innovative, sends out free samples of that innovation to people he does not know, gives them something interesting to talk about, references his competitor's products and the positive testimonials regarding it, offers his products and the shipping of these products to all of eGullet members at a discount that is near cost and then offers to send that money to a charity for sick and terminally ill children. End it.

I'm being yelled at by my wife because I'm spending so much time on this site instead of playing with the kids. No sense being in the dog house with her. I think it's time to move on. As a departing gesture of goodwill, I've created a coupon that can be used at our site. The coupon gives all eG users a $30 discount towards the purchase of a Wine Clip. To use it is simple: Go to the site www.thewineclip.com and click the order button. Go through the steps and when asked, plug in the coupon code "egullet". This will leave a checkout balance of $19.95. Shipping is free in the US. I will leave this coupon running for as long as egullet is in existence. In the end... you can like me, hate me, love the wine clip or hate the wine clip, it doesn't matter. We're going to stay on the path we've charted. As our journey evolves we'll always consider ourselves fortunate to have the chance of talking, laughing, debating and yelling about something so insignificant. As a reminder of just how lucky we are, I will donate the proceeds of the first 50 "egullet coupon" clips sold to the Make- A - Wish Foundation. (I will post the evidence). Now I hope no one posts anything derogatory about that. Enjoy your wine (even you Fat Guy). Stay well - Dennis L

Your welcome. Hurts to hear you'd return it.

I came her after the post started. Please be acurate when making reference to my interests. I would like to know what our "radical claim" is? from your web site: The Wine Clip is a unique, patent-pending innovation that miraculously makes wine softer, smoother and more desirable. Simply attach The Wine Clip on the neck of your wine bottle and pour. You'll instantly experience a smoother, less tanic taste and enhanced bouquet similar to that of wines which are aged for years in professional cellars. The action of the wine passing through the magnetic field breaks up the wine's natural tannins creating a smoother, more refined flavor that is unmistakable. It's as if the wine was aged for several years! New Wine Drinkers: Avoid the bitter taste found in untreated wines. Specifically the claim that the magnetic field 'breaks up tannins' seems radical to me (I am not a chemist). Some of the other claims seem a tad controversial as well. I think the eG user agreement frowns upon the cutting and pasting of another site's content. But yes, I would say that's our content - can't see the harm or misleading tones you suggest. Perhaps you would consider rephrasing it for me? Seriously.

Uh, deja vu all over again. Didn't you say... "Although we tested it in a lab with people who have PHd's it was not in the way certain eG members (not you) suggest we should have." I fail to see how you can determine my quote as combative? It wasn't meant to be. I just don't understand the comparison.

I'm having trouble finding a sales pitch within my comments. I am defending our product in a forum where I seem to stand alone next to Sammy. I am truly sorry to hear that you won't be buying a clip.

This reminds me of a product liability case I was involved in years ago. Our client's product proudly bore a sticker that read "[insert name of well known federal agency] tested." It turned out the product was "[agency] tested." Unfortunately, the product had failed the test miserably. Yeah, we settled the case. See, it's the comments like this that are misleading and start the influx of sarcasm. Why would you compare TWC and our marketing material to a product / company that used a government agency's tests in a misleading manner? I stand firm - we are misleading no one. I do have another serious question for the experts: What is the prerequisite for becoming a Master of Wine?

If you don't think that the way a perceptual test is conducted can have a large effect on the result, and if you think that claims to that effect are "radical" -- all this demonstrates is your ignorance of experimental psychology. No. Your marketing should state that the Wine Clip enhances your wine drinking experience. That is a safe claim. Your claim, that it actually enhances the taste of wine has not been proven. You are correct that it is your opinion, but is is not your "finding" because you have not conducted any valid controlled experiments in which to make any "findings." You need to be careful about throwing around scientific-seeming words that make it appear as though the Wine Clip has scientific support when in fact it does not at this point. The same thing goes for your statement about magnetics. Your opinion is that "it's all taking place under the influence of magnetics" but, in fact, you have no support for this claim. Whatever difference you are observing in your tests could come from a variety of factors completely unrelated to the magnets. This is why it is unadvisable to make such claims without having conducted any real scientific evaluation. Ringling Brothers' claim is obviously marketing hype, and is clearly a matter of opinion anyway. There is no factual basis by which such a claim may be evaluated. If, on the other hand, Ringling Brothers claimed that their show included "the world's longest high wire walk" one could evaluate this factual claim. You are making a factual claim when you sau that the Wine Clip uses "magnetics" to "enhance the taste of wine." You would be in the same boat as Ringling Brothers' "Greatest Show on Earth" claim if you said instead that "the Wine Clip magnetic device enhances your wine drinking experience." There is a subtle but salient difference. I need some Advil (or a placebo). You are correct that I am ignorant with regard to experimental psychology. I also don't understand how deja vu works but I know I've been here before. Only this time I won't get caught up in the silly stuff. Here's one more claim... The Wine Clip works but something tells me you're not going to believe that.

And that's fine. Test the clip one hundred different ways, I have no issue. What I do have issue with is people making slanderous remarks regarding me and my company while your trying to figure out how to do it.

I took the "we" to mean individuals associate with or hired by your company. I took the "it" to mean the wine clip. I took "in a lab with people who have PHd's" to mean people who have earned Ph.D.s in a relevant field did the tests. After some follow up questions, you wrote Now, with all due respect, I would expect someone who claims to have tested a product using the language you used in the first quote would have a copy of the results on hand. I would also expect the test to have been done on their product, as the original language strongly implied. Finally, I would expect they would know the difference between college students and Ph.D.s. But maybe I am asking for too much here. You are grossly altering my quotes and comments. Let me set clarity... 1. Someone suggested we go to a local Univ. and have students conduct a scientific test. My reply to that was simple to understand. There is a report which was conducted by students at a University. I read this report more than 12 months ago when first introduced to the magnetic devise now know as the wine clip. This report, which was on the web, was NOT about the wine clip. It was regarding another magnetic wine product. 2. You may recall that I have a friend that owns a magnet company. They are QS9000 company and ship various magnets to various clients around the world. They were the "scientists" I was referring to. At the time we began flirting with the idea of going mainstream with the wine clip, there was no vision of needing lab results for posting on the internet (or any journals). We were intriqued, as I still am with the change in taste. I don't claim to be the smartest guy in the room. My skills in writing, wine and science are no where close to yours or the others within this thread. You'll have to forgive me for that.

I think "fear" is a strong choice of words when referencing our resistence to explore extensive scientific testing. There was no fear on our end when we sent out clips to eG uers and there certainly is no fear when we set up tents at wine tasting events. We've offered live taste tests to people of all races, religions and educations. The results are typically the same, positive. Are we asking them to take a test? Yes. Does that get their imagination? Yes. Does it alter their senses of smell, taste and an ability to determine a difference? I say no. To suggest that all of these people are being tricked by a placebo is a redical claim. Our marketing states that the wine clip will enhance the taste of wine. That's our opinion and that's our findings. It's all taking place under the influence of magnetics. Ringling Brothers claims that its show is the Greatest Show on Earth. I haven't found any reports on the Internet that supports this claim. Are their ticket sales greater than any other show ever performed? I don't take offence to their claim. Many people like the taste when using the wine clip. A placebo would have fake magnets. The magnets we use are real.

Sammy, I'm wondering the same thing.

I came her after the post started. Please be acurate when making reference to my interests. I would like to know what our "radical claim" is?

You're not even a little embarrassed to be saying this? "A scientific conclusion could not be determined" sounds like a nice way of saying "the control group came out the same as the treatment group" which is a nice way of saying "the product doesn't work." If this isn't what you're saying here, can you be more specific? Or do you mean that a double-blind study concluded that the wine clip works but they couldn't figure out how? If so, where was it published? It was a test regarding the coaster product, not the wine clip. And no I am not embarrassed. It was more than 12 months ago. But if my memory serves me right I believe the college students that performed the test stated that they could taste a difference but could not determine why. If I remember the name of the college, I'll find the report.