Okay, okay - I know - I take a long time to catch up with the conversation. Some of us have work to do, Bapi? Charlene - Bapi is already in line for a good pinching and kicking from our friend Nuria when we go to Ludlow for previous offences of general rudeness and lack of respect. I'm afraid I simply don't have him properly trained. NT this time was the best ever (I think). usually I'm stumped after the starters but I just kept going .... My excuse is I'm in training for Ludlow - essential I would say. Bapi might even allow me to write up one of the meals - possibly the Little Chef lunch he'll buy me on the way - but I doubt it. Nice to see you again: Gary, Charlene, Macrosan. R x