azlee

I have several Global knives and store them on mag. strips. I have a lot of knives and have mag. strips for each type where I will be using them, however I have a fairly good-sized kitchen. I mount the strips vertically so the blades are held horizontally, except for the veg prep area where the strip is at a 45 degree angle with the smaller blades at the top and the largest at the bottom. (I will get a photo later and post it.) I bought my mag strips at The Knife Merchant I have 2 18-inch and 3 24-inch. (I have 2 of the 24 inch mounted parallel to each other in the pantry to hold the very large (and heavy) butchering knives, pizza knife, large mezzalunas and a big cleaver, because a single strip won't hold some of these heavier things.) Chef Depot has a bunch of magnetic strips and some nice optional storage solutions. They are very reasonably priced. ← Thanks, the wavy drawer knife block at Chef Depot looks great! That combined with a couple of magnetic strips may be just the ticket. Thanks again

i've been looking for a replacement block for my Wusthof knives but have limited counter space and i also need a way to store my set of 3 Global knives so that i can actually see them and remember to use them. would the global set fit in the 'Ex' is a magnetic rail a better solution? Global does a very nice looking rail but it's very long and very expensive. thanks

My understanding is that Coca-Cola of Hawthorne, NY, who makes the OU KFP stuff for the Northeast, uses beet sugar, not Cane sugar. Cane sugar is a very expensive ingredient and it has other residual compounds in it to give it that "caney" flavor besides just the Sucrose that is processed. ← Coca-Cola finally responded to my email inquiry, too late for this Passover but perhaps in time to buy a few left over bottles, this year. According to Coca-Cola's Industry and Consumer Affairs department they use sucrose made from cane sugar in their kosher brand Coca-Cola. ← Thank you for passing along that information. The value of the few cans I still have left just skyrocketed =R= ← Congrats on your cola windfall! I hope that I can still get in on the cane cola action. If I am lucky the price may have dropped as the stores clear out the last leftover bottles.

My understanding is that Coca-Cola of Hawthorne, NY, who makes the OU KFP stuff for the Northeast, uses beet sugar, not Cane sugar. Cane sugar is a very expensive ingredient and it has other residual compounds in it to give it that "caney" flavor besides just the Sucrose that is processed. ← Coca-Cola finally responded to my email inquiry, too late for this Passover but perhaps in time to buy a few left over bottles, this year. According to Coca-Cola's Industry and Consumer Affairs department they use sucrose made from cane sugar in their kosher brand Coca-Cola.

Does anyone know for sure, whether the KfP Coke is made with cane sugar or with beet sugar? Important to know for people allergic to beet sugar. Thanks. Edited for afterthought. :-)

you might want to consider the bosch or siemens range <http://www.boschappliances.com/category.cfm?cat_id=5> they each have matching over the range microwave/hoods. the dacor ranges also allow for a recirculating hood. but for my space problems i'd be using the dacor pair, for sure. what features were you specifically looking for in a range?

The Liebherr is available in several places in Manhattan, Krups on W. 18th street; Manhattan Center for Kitchen and Bath <http://www.mckb.com/> on E. 19th street; FlameTech on Bowery in Chinatown. Also Drimmer's in Brooklyn have them.

Thanks, yes. I'm trying to choose between the 24" and 30" Liebherr fridge. If I could just commit to the smaller fridge I could also make a decision on an over the range micro-convection oven. I'm leaning toward the sharp model 1874 now but it is 30" wide. I haven't come across anything similar that would work in 24" or 27". This is key since I may be living without an oven and cooktop until my custom cabinets are delivered (about 4 months) and would at least like to be able to heat small meals. I like the idea of keeping a file of kitchen ideas.

Thanks. I'm definitely willing to spend on this project but I'd like to spend wisely for great tools and space that I will enjoy using. The hardest choice seems to be cold storage and cooking appliances. Also hoping that the price of stainless starts to go down or at least stabilize because I'd really love to use a stainless countertop with an integrated sink. Does anyone know of great stainless countertop fabricators in the five boroughs?

Blondelle, That sounds very much like my planned set-up, except that I can't decide on the fridge. I know that $2,500 is alot for a fridge, but I live in a neighborhood where many would solve a similar space problem with a subzero and that is an expense ( over $5k w/ ss panel) that I personally cannot justify or afford. I guess alot of sticker shock comes with a small kitchen renovation. ← ← i'm less concerned with resale than with having what i want in the kitchen. i personally don't care much for open kitchens and so i want to find as much usable space as possible in my small space and make it nice because i intend to enjoy it while i'm here. as far as resale, it should show well when the time comes, but if someone wanted to rearrange things or take a wall down they could certainly make good use of what i leave behind. the interesting thing is that i have an otherwise rather roomy 2 bedroom apartment. the designing architect of the building didn't think much about cooking, so he put all the space into the other rooms.

Blondelle, That sounds very much like my planned set-up, except that I can't decide on the fridge. I know that $2,500 is alot for a fridge, but I live in a neighborhood where many would solve a similar space problem with a subzero and that is an expense ( over $5k w/ ss panel) that I personally cannot justify or afford. I guess alot of sticker shock comes with a small kitchen renovation.

Oh, yessss! ← Excellent! I'm very tempted

Well, any good kitchen designer or architect will have a wall-stretcher. I don't have a Liebherr, but have installed many of them over the past 2-3 years. They are highly recommended by those that own them. I think their biggest downfall in North America is that few people know about them. LG also makes a couple 24" fridges, but they are "cheaper" in qaulity than the Liebherr IMO. What size sink are you planning, or is this not negotiable. Kitchens this small benefit from a single bowl sink, which frees up more room on the countertop. This is the only downside to using a larger range ... less counterspace. Can you live with the Kuppersbusch combination (induction ROCKS btw!)? That would maximize the work space. A. ← Daddy-A, Just curious are there any 24" or 27" induction cooktops that you would recommend? Which cooktop do you have? Can you use a griddle on an induction top (like maybe a Le Crueset Griddle)? Thanks Azlee

i did leave myself the option of a dishwasher for the future. the connection is plumbed and capped. it would likely be an 18" miele.

i like the idea of separate fridge and freezer but worry that it will send my budget sailing off the charts if i keep adding separate appliance components. still i will definitely consider induction. perhaps one induction component and one conventional ceramic glass cooktop component. or perhaps i should gather all my cookware and see what will work with induction. perhaps more of it is usuable than i think. at the moment i'll be using 60" of open shelving over the sink side of cabinets and an italian stainless grid with movable storage on an otherwise unusable brick wall to store spices, condiments and smaller containers of sugar, flour and rice for easy access. http://www.containerstore.com/browse/Produ...333&CATID=74107 I am excited about the flexibility of the grid system.

i do like the idea of being able to use the ceramic cooktop as extra counter space.

Well, any good kitchen designer or architect will have a wall-stretcher. I don't have a Liebherr, but have installed many of them over the past 2-3 years. They are highly recommended by those that own them. I think their biggest downfall in North America is that few people know about them. LG also makes a couple 24" fridges, but they are "cheaper" in qaulity than the Liebherr IMO. What size sink are you planning, or is this not negotiable. Kitchens this small benefit from a single bowl sink, which frees up more room on the countertop. This is the only downside to using a larger range ... less counterspace. Can you live with the Kuppersbusch combination (induction ROCKS btw!)? That would maximize the work space. A. ← Daddy-A, I'd love an induction cooktop but have never taken the time to see which of my masses of cookware would work with it. I have some glass cookware that I know will not work and I'd hate to give that up.

Marlene, there will be two movable carts in the pantry closet. On will have the food processor and the other my kitchenaid mixer. there's no room to have anything else on the floor in the kitchen and only room for one person to work at a time in there. :-)

I plan to convert a nearby closet into a pantry for dry goods and equipment storage (but sadly, the space is not suitable for the fridge.) I have plenty of kitchen stuff collected over almost 40 years of cooking. I'm mostly looking for counter space and cooking space in the kitchen. The sink will be small but deep and covered with a cutting board some of the time in order to gain extra counter space. And given that the floor is finished you're right, that it would be a nightmare to start moving walls now, if it could be done. If I bite the bullet and pay for extra cabinets and go with the 24" fridge and 24" cooking setup, I could squeeze maybe another 9" of counter and storage space out of the kitchen but the extra cost may not be worth it in the end. So many choices...

FROZEN PIZZA in Brooklyn? Shame on you! Frozen turkey? Really, if you limit those two items you will probably have more than enough room in the freezer. I should talk, my freezer is full of duck fat, pork skin, chicken carcasses and other things which I can't identify anymore. Let us know how it works out. Jason ← Well, the pizza is actually for my teenaged nephew who visits and likes to midnight snack on pizza and the turkey I get free about twice a year from the local supermarket at the holidays. Mostly, my freezer is filled with lots of unsalted butter bought on sale and homemade puff pastry leaves for emergency hors d'oeuvres and of course ICE CREAM. I have to place my appliance orders soon and will keep y'all posted. Does anyone have a Liebherr fridge? A sub-zero would be a perfect fit w/ a full size range but the price, to me, is insanely high and I always hear that they (sub-zero)have a lot of service problems. If only I had another inch of wall space... ← of course, now i'll have to buy fancy european cabinets to accomodate the cooktop and oven. i wonder why none of the appliances manufacturers make a stainless rack that would hold both 24" components. kuppersbusch actually makes a rack to hold a 36" oven and cooktop but not for their smaller components. ← Two items to comment on "If only I had another inch of wall space..." ...and "now I'll have to buy fancy european cabinets..." What type of building do you live in? Do you have a Contractor yet? Carving out that other inch is not unheard of and solutions can get pretty creative. If you have a Contractor, have them do the necessary due diligence to see if a little demolition and reframing may get you your inch. The other item to consider is the cabinets. For the price of Poggenpohl cabinets you can have your cabinets custom made by someone local. Custom cabinets may allow you to pick up that extra inch or accommodate whatever may be in the way that doesn't allow you to pick up that inch. ← Thanks for the suggestions, unfortunately, we cannot carve out an extra inch on that particular wall. We were able to carve out a needed half inch on the opposite kitchen wall for the base cabinets. The wall with the appliances would only have a single cabinet for the cooktop and oven, using a european cabinet manufacturer for the european appliances is probably more time and cost efficient in this case, since they already make cabinets specifically for that application. If I can avoid the need for any base cabinet on the appliance wall (for example, if I go with the 24" fridge and 30" range) I can use any brand of cabinets. I just meant that use of the euro sized cooking appliances would likely require a euro cabinet. I'll try to post some sample layouts, if I can. That might make it easier to understand the limitations.

Crouching Tyler, I found your thread and your kitchen is really charming. Tough layout with so many openings. I love the idea of closing in your porch to make more space. Thanks for your input on the Liebherr. I think I just need to take along some containers from foods I usually keep and see if they fit.

Well, any good kitchen designer or architect will have a wall-stretcher. I don't have a Liebherr, but have installed many of them over the past 2-3 years. They are highly recommended by those that own them. I think their biggest downfall in North America is that few people know about them. LG also makes a couple 24" fridges, but they are "cheaper" in qaulity than the Liebherr IMO. What size sink are you planning, or is this not negotiable. Kitchens this small benefit from a single bowl sink, which frees up more room on the countertop. This is the only downside to using a larger range ... less counterspace. Can you live with the Kuppersbusch combination (induction ROCKS btw!)? That would maximize the work space. A. ← Hi there! good to hear that Liebherr are loved by those who own them. The sink will probably be a 20" sink in a 24" cabinet and two 18" cabinets next to that, one with drawers, the other rollouts, I think. Recycling and trash under the sink cabinet. I am thinking Poggenpohl for cabinets. I wish it could be Bulthaup. As it is, I may have to wait a bit before ordering the cabinets.

FROZEN PIZZA in Brooklyn? Shame on you! Frozen turkey? Really, if you limit those two items you will probably have more than enough room in the freezer. I should talk, my freezer is full of duck fat, pork skin, chicken carcasses and other things which I can't identify anymore. Let us know how it works out. Jason ← Well, the pizza is actually for my teenaged nephew who visits and likes to midnight snack on pizza and the turkey I get free about twice a year from the local supermarket at the holidays. Mostly, my freezer is filled with lots of unsalted butter bought on sale and homemade puff pastry leaves for emergency hors d'oeuvres and of course ICE CREAM. I have to place my appliance orders soon and will keep y'all posted. Does anyone have a Liebherr fridge? A sub-zero would be a perfect fit w/ a full size range but the price, to me, is insanely high and I always hear that they (sub-zero)have a lot of service problems. If only I had another inch of wall space... ← of course, now i'll have to buy fancy european cabinets to accomodate the cooktop and oven. i wonder why none of the appliances manufacturers make a stainless rack that would hold both 24" components. kuppersbusch actually makes a rack to hold a 36" oven and cooktop but not for their smaller components.

FROZEN PIZZA in Brooklyn? Shame on you! Frozen turkey? Really, if you limit those two items you will probably have more than enough room in the freezer. I should talk, my freezer is full of duck fat, pork skin, chicken carcasses and other things which I can't identify anymore. Let us know how it works out. Jason ← Well, the pizza is actually for my teenaged nephew who visits and likes to midnight snack on pizza and the turkey I get free about twice a year from the local supermarket at the holidays. Mostly, my freezer is filled with lots of unsalted butter bought on sale and homemade puff pastry leaves for emergency hors d'oeuvres and of course ICE CREAM. I have to place my appliance orders soon and will keep y'all posted. Does anyone have a Liebherr fridge? A sub-zero would be a perfect fit w/ a full size range but the price, to me, is insanely high and I always hear that they (sub-zero)have a lot of service problems. If only I had another inch of wall space...

I'm starting to think this is going to be a really hard decision. Harder than choosing tile or fixtures or deciding whether or not to tear down walls. I tend to order shelf staples and longer lasting fresh veggies and meat for the freezer from Fresh Direct every other week or every third week depending upon my at home schedule and buying fresh foods in the neighborhood, as needed. I do keep leftovers but often do not get back to them before they spoil. i wonder if having a smaller fridge might force me to waste less?