Well dave the cook, My wife and I are looking at producing some small time cakes,doughs and breads for a local market, were not after a heavy duty mixer right now {ie hobart} as were only going to be using it once every 2 weeks and also because we don't want to get to far involved until it starts to 1/ turn a profit 2/ Prove to be viable long term 3/ Warrent the outlay of cash{which is based on profit} So, were quite simply looking for something that will get us started and then perhaps slip down into being our number 2 mixer when we "upgrade". Durability and dependability are 2 things that we need.