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On 9/28/2017 at 9:18 PM, andiesenji said:

I did not state that the knife was "targeted for a place with no grapes."  Similar knives are made and sold in the U.S. (mine is a 40-year-old DEXTER), France, Italy, etc.  I happened to mention the PBS slow food series that had a much longer segment on the famous Turpan grape festival in Xinjiang where "hundreds of grape varieties are grown and there are several grape-tasting events during July and August, the peak season.."

Other provinces were mentioned that conduct festivals associated with food and with the harvest. As I recall they mentioned a "Hungry Ghost Festival" and others. Certainly there has been huge promotion of Chinese wines and grape production for wine at the world wine tastings.  And one article stated "At the same time, there are new wineries in Hunan Province, Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region and Jiangxi Province making wines with the wild Vitis davidii and Vitis quinquangularis.
 And this is not from a "propaganda" source but from Decanter, published in the UK.   I don't believe my information is "bunk."  

 

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I think this one is from China.

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And this is one used by a friend that bought it in France.  They vary in blade length and curvature, some are more hooked, but they are called grape knives in many catalogs or pruning knives. 

And according to my friend, who grows grapes, they are preferred for grafting vines onto rootstock.

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The first knife looks like a sickle. I don't think I've seen a knife like that before. 

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OK, I could use some help here. A friend of mine has a small sterling silver cup which he believes to be a tastevin. To me, it simply isn't, but I cannot say what it is. Below are pictures. The cup itself is 2" in diameter and a little over 3" tall. (so it's more like a shot glass, whereas a tastevin is shallow and wide, so you can swirl the wine and observe and smell it) It has a smaller base, up to about half of the side is smaller (kind of like the top part of a double boiler) so it appears to have been made to sit inside another container. One side has a curved loop which appears to be designed to act as a hinge, or maybe just perch on the rim of something else. The other side has a stem and handle, about 3" long, which resembles a hat pin. The plastic/bakelite ball is very red. Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

 

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A butter or brandy warmer?  Though most of the ones on eBay have a pouring spout ... 

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15 minutes ago, Tropicalsenior said:

It is a sommelier cup.

 

 

Citation?  

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There is one on eBay here. I recognized it from when I worked in restaurants.


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10 minutes ago, Tropicalsenior said:

There is one on eBay here. I recognized it from when I worked in restaurants.

 

Thank you.Thank you.

 

I did quite a lot of searching to try and help out so it seems necessary to provide a source for your statement.  I do appreciate that you did so. 


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1 hour ago, Lisa Shock said:

OK, I could use some help here. A friend of mine has a small sterling silver cup which he believes to be a tastevin. To me, it simply isn't, but I cannot say what it is. Below are pictures. The cup itself is 2" in diameter and a little over 3" tall. (so it's more like a shot glass, whereas a tastevin is shallow and wide, so you can swirl the wine and observe and smell it) It has a smaller base, up to about half of the side is smaller (kind of like the top part of a double boiler) so it appears to have been made to sit inside another container. One side has a curved loop which appears to be designed to act as a hinge, or maybe just perch on the rim of something else. The other side has a stem and handle, about 3" long, which resembles a hat pin. The plastic/bakelite ball is very red. Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

 

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Does these look familiar?

 

It is an alcohol cup, missing its lid, which sits under a chafing dish and holds denatured alcohol.  It should have a slotted lid to contain and direct the flame.  This one looks like it is from the Art Deco era.  

I looked at hundreds of chafing dishes from various eras when I was catering. At one time I had a dozen, many had cups similar to this, some were more elaborate with little burner controls and in some the cups were not removable.

They had to be when they were silver so they could be polished.

I found a few other examples of this type of cup.   A mid-century modern style similar to some I had in the 1980s.

 

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it might be on EBay as a sommelier cup

 

but I really doubt that's what it is.

 

its completely different from all the rest.

 

the S.C. was carried by the sommelier

 

this sits on something

 


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You're probably right. I worked with a chef that used it as a tasting cup. But come to think of it, he wasn't that good a chef either.

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2 minutes ago, rotuts said:

it might be on EBay as a sommelier cup

 

but I really doubt that's what it is.

 

its completely different from all the rest.

 

the S.C. was carried by the sommelier

 

this sits on something

 

 

 

You are correct.  It sits IN something.  

I grew up in a house where chafers were used all the time and I have seen and "helped" clean many of these.  As a child I liked to do "chores" and the servants were very obliging.  I loved to "help" with the silver polishing although I am sure I was more of a hinderance than help, but I did learn a lot about how things worked.  

 

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however

 

this suggests to me that it might sit in something larger than its diameter :

 

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so it doesn't wobble

 

interesting .

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It looks to me like a cup made for dipping into a liquid of some sort...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On EBay this cup :

 

""  From handle to handle the cup measures 4 1/2 inches, and is 1 1/4 inches deep and 2 1/8 inches in diameter.

 

its pretty small.

 

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this lip suggests it designed to sit snugly in something specific :

 

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then also something larger

 

which the two prong item accommodates 

 

 

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It would not be a sommelier cup.

Sommelier cups normally are dish shaped, for better aroma airing.

 

dcarch

 

 

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8 minutes ago, dcarch said:

It would not be a sommelier cup.

Sommelier cups normally are dish shaped, for better aroma airing.

 

dcarch

 

 

Agree.  If it's a tastevin, it's an exceedingly poorly-designed one.  It is too deep, ill-suited to holding while looking and tasting, and lacks the prismatic features necessary to judge wines' clarity and brilliance.

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5 hours ago, rotuts said:

however

 

this suggests to me that it might sit in something larger than its diameter :

 

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so it doesn't wobble

 

interesting .

 

It might also be a hook element for the  top to hook onto.  It looks to me as if it had something around it  at one time.  Somewhere in my stuff I have a little brandy warmer (alcohol burner) with a similar bracket that holds a wire support for a brandy snifter.  The base in which it sets holds the cup in a ring but I don't think the cup has a handle. It has been years since I looked at it, it is packed away with stuff I haven't used for 30 years. 

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Thanks everyone, especially @andiesenji ! I agree that it's probably part of a chafer of one sort of another.

 

BTW, I have seen hundreds of things listed on eBay as the wrong item. Sometimes it has worked to my advantage, most often not. People want to believe that their stuff is priceless treasure.


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