Jump to content
  • Welcome to the eG Forums, a service of the eGullet Society for Culinary Arts & Letters. The Society is a 501(c)3 not-for-profit organization dedicated to the advancement of the culinary arts. These advertising-free forums are provided free of charge through donations from Society members. Anyone may read the forums, but to post you must create a free account.

Decent chinese food in paris?


Recommended Posts

Nope! I've heard about that one too, but never found the name of the place...  :sad: But I've tried another one, rue Philibert Lucot, not far away, called la Tonkinoise. The had these quite strange snails (is that what they called them?) I really, really loved.

It seems that the place I'm mentioning has no apparent name. I'll look closer. But it's quite good.

If the topic weren't "Chinese restaurants", I'd have given away some of my Vietnamese, Thai and Laotian addresses already (which are, I believe, more interesting than Chinese places in Paris).

We may slip to Southeast Asia if you wish. Could you tell more about those snails? I don't think I've seen them before.

Not really food-oriented but quite Chinese: there is an excellent tea place on avenue d'Ivry called "L'Empire des thés", run by the Kawa import company (which has an amazing shop on avenue de Choisy). This is the place to go for rare Chinese teas.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

-Restaurant Asiapalace (Olympiades, 13e) + the other big one in the shopping mall is alrighty

If you're mentioning the upstairs shopping mall between avenue d'Ivry and rue Nationale, next to Paristore and Tang, is the "other big one" the Chinatown Olympiades (above the avenue d'Ivry) or the other big one in the back, next to the "dalle des Olympiades", i.e. the large inner courtyard with shops and cafés ?

Edited by Ptipois (log)
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Ptipois - the "snail" entrée is some kind of dim sum, actually: I think it was meat with something else, steamed in a large snail shell. Since the staff just doesn't speak one single word of french, it was impossible to ask for details -- but they understood what I said when I ordered some more! :biggrin:

"Mais moi non plus, j'ai pas faim! En v'là, une excuse!..."

(Jean-Pierre Marielle)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I had a nice meal at the Village d'Ung Et Li Lam; Wasn't to bad. We went for the Peking duck. It was good value and pretty good food.

Its in the 8th on Rue Jean Mermoz. Near FD Roosevelt Metro.

Edited by Niall (log)

'You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline - it helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer.'

- Frank Zappa

Link to comment
Share on other sites

OK, here's a few of my favorite Lao, Vietnamese and Thai restaurants. There are many more around, I wish I could try them all.

Thai: Chieng Mai, rue Frédéric-Sauton (5e), is quite nice and has been there for a long time. Same owner but even tastier food, spiced just as it should be (i.e.: too much), my very favorite, Lao Thai, rue de Tolbiac (13e). Krung Thep has been mentioned already.

Lao: Rouam Mit on avenue d'Ivry and its larger neighbor-I-forgot-the-name-of (same management) are good. Lao Viet is out in the sticks (boulevard Massena, near the rue de Patay) but the food is tasty and fresh, very well prepared, albeit lacking in chilli for my taste. A good laap neua (half-cooked beef salad) has to have some tang. Be warned that the yogurt jar of fried garlic and chilli sauce on the table is alarmingly hot (to be used in pinhead quantity, and don't let it get into your eyes). :wacko:

Vietnamese: plenty of choice, but my favorite has long been a restaurant you can't find by chance (at the end of an alley in a shopping mall between avenue d'Ivry and rue Nationale), they serve one of the best pho soups I've ever had and a great bun cha ha noi. It's called Bi Da Saigon.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...
If you're mentioning the upstairs shopping mall between avenue d'Ivry and rue Nationale, next to Paristore and Tang, is the "other big one" the Chinatown Olympiades (above the avenue d'Ivry) or the other big one in the back, next to the "dalle des Olympiades", i.e. the large inner courtyard with shops and cafés ?

Sorry to get back to you so late, Ptipois.

I found the two huge restaurants INSIDE the mall Olympiades okay. One is just above the supermarket Tang, the second one (the one I prefer a bit more), is the far end of the mall, same floor, with one entrance inside the mall, and another entrance opening to the inner court yard. (But not the one INSIDE the court yard, I never try that one)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sorry to get back to you so late, Ptipois.

I found the two huge restaurants INSIDE the mall Olympiades okay. One is just above the supermarket Tang, the second one (the one I prefer a bit more), is the far end of the mall, same floor, with one entrance inside the mall, and another entrance opening to the inner court yard. (But not the one INSIDE the court yard, I never try that one)

Hello Naf!

The first restaurant you're mentioning is the Chinatown Olympiades. I find it okay too. The sautéed mussels are good.

The second restaurant is Asia Palace. I haven't been there yet.

Last night I took a friend to Li Ka Fo, on avenue de Choisy, and as usual we were delighted by their gutsy (sometimes very gutsy) Cantonese cooking. I was introduced to the place by a friend who is a native of Fujian, and he claims that some of the food he finds there does remind him of his childhood memories. The menu is interesting, but a large number of red paper strips felt-tipped in Chinese adorn the walls all around, so the most interesting items may only be ordered if you can read them. Alone, I can only read the prices in euros, so I do like going with my Fujianese friend... His absence didn't keep us from being brave last night at dinner, so, shunning the albeit delicious specialty of steamed free-range chicken with ginger and scallions (everybody seems to order it), we dove head down into the tofu sautéed with ground pork in a rich oyster sauce (comfort food), crispy chicken (brown, luscious, fragrant with marine flavours) and what was described as "steamed ground pork and salt cod", actually a layer of aromatic ground pork tenderized with cornflour and steamed under a thick layer of - shiver! - salted fermented mackerel. I don't know if you've ever had this ingredient before but it's like vieux-lille, nuoc-mâm, old socks and natto put together. Now that was a notch higher than gutsy. When we realized that the fish was actually not to be eaten but was there only to flavour the pork (which it did deliciously), things looked up a bit.

Other specialties include crisp-fried duck skin (a delicacy, not available last night), jellyfish salad surrounded by fluorescent-red-dyed baby octopus (my Fujianese friend's favorite, I don't really go for this myself) and remarkable clay pot dishes, including scallops and mushrooms and chicken and chestnuts.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 years later...

Since this thread is being revived I'll do a little update on the present state of some of the commented places, plus a few others:

Thai: Chieng Mai not recommended (horrible meal lately). Le Banyan very good.

Vietnamese: Bi Da Saigon, Pho 14 still good. Also recommended: Xinh Xinh, Le Bambou.

Lao: Lao Viet, Rouam Mit and the larger one next door, and Lao Thai, all serving both Lao and Thai specialties. Nice.

Chinese: recently discovered Le Fleuve de Chine really interesting (in the courtyard behind the avenue de Choisy McDonald's). Also: Li Ka Fo IMO still the best, ex-aequo with Aux Délices de Shandong on boulevard de l'Hôpital. Restaurant de Chengdu on boulevard de Strasbourg serves good Sichuanese food. (I was there last night and the eggplant in yuxiang sauce was heavenly. Mind the pepper and chilli, they do not just pretend to add them.).

Interesting holes in the wall around rue au Maire (3e) where the Wenzhou community is located, Chez Chen is known for its jiaozi dumplings.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 months later...

I was in the 13th last night, hoping to have Thai. We wanted to go to Sukothai which I have heard good things about but it was closed, so we went to my current favorite Rouammit, which was also closed!

Luckily I had the pocket sized guide from Express in my bag which listed Empire des Thés owner Buon Huong Tan's favorites in the neighborhood so we went to Apsara Celeste. It had both Vietnamese and Thai but somehow we all ended up having Vietnamese. It was good and inexpensive but there are other places that I prefere for Vietnamese in the 13th.

He also lists the following as favorites in the neighborhood le Bambou, Rouammit and Le Palais Cristal.


Link to comment
Share on other sites

For Cantonese cuisine, Panorama across from Pho 14 is not bad (junction of Ivry and Choisy). Their fried rice/noodle is decent,, comparable to the average standard in Hong Kong.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

For Cantonese cuisine, Panorama across from Pho 14 is not bad (junction of Ivry and Choisy).  Their fried rice/noodle is decent,, comparable to the average standard in Hong Kong.

You probably mean Sinorama, and it is indeed decent.

While we're at it, Cambodian-run Tricotin, in the lower part of avenue de Choisy, looks like an eating factory in a glass case but is good and wholesome. Though the place is spacious, it is packed during weekends. Dim sum quite good, noodle soups quite honorable, "nouilles maison" excellent.

Looks are generally deceiving in the XIIIe. The best food is generally served in the simplest surroundings (Pho Bida Saigon, Pho 14, Tricotin, Rouammit, Li Ka Fo, Le Fleuve de Chine, etc.) Particularly, Lao Thai stubbornly refuses to submit to the "Phuket nostalgia" style and serves what is, in my opinion, the best Thai food in Paris. While Paradis Thai, a few steps away on rue de Tolbiac and complete with wooden apsaras and tacky Asian décor, serves some of the most dreadful imitation of Thai food I've ever tasted.

On the other hand, places that look like eating factories may also be really bad, like Hawaï on avenue d'Ivry.

Edited by Ptipois (log)
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 3 weeks later...

  • Similar Content

    • By liuzhou
      Sea fish in my local supermarket
      In the past I've started a few topics focusing on categorised food types I find in China. I’ve done
      Mushrooms and Fungi in China
      Chinese Vegetables Illustrated
      Sugar in China
      Chinese Herbs and Spices
      Chinese Pickles and Preserves
      Chinese Hams.
      I’ve enjoyed doing them as I learn a lot and I hope that some people find them useful or just interesting.
      One I’ve always resisted doing is Fish etc in China. Although it’s interesting and I love fish, it just felt too complicated. A lot of the fish and other marine animals I see here, I can’t identify, even if I know the local name. The same species may have different names in different supermarkets or wet markets. And, as everywhere, a lot of fish is simply mislabelled, either out of ignorance or plain fraud.
      However, I’ve decided to give it a go.
      I read that 60% of fish consumed in China is freshwater fish. I doubt that figure refers to fresh fish though. In most of China only freshwater fish is available. Seawater fish doesn’t travel very far inland. It is becoming more available as infrastructure improves, but it’s still low. Dried seawater fish is used, but only in small quantities as is frozen food in general. I live near enough the sea to get fresh sea fish, but 20 years ago when I lived in Hunan I never saw it. Having been brought up yards from the sea, I sorely missed it.
      I’ll start with the freshwater fish. Today, much of this is farmed, but traditionally came from lakes and rivers, as much still does. Most villages in the rural parts have their village fish pond. By far the most popular fish are the various members of the carp family with 草鱼 (cǎo yú) - Ctenopharyngodon idella - Grass Carp being the most raised and consumed. These (and the other freshwater fish) are normally sold live and every supermarket, market (and often restaurants) has ranks of tanks holding them.

      Supermarket Freshwater Fish Tanks

      You point at the one you want and the server nets it out. In markets, super or not, you can either take it away still wriggling or, if you are squeamish, the server will kill, descale and gut it for you. In restaurants, the staff often display the live fish to the table before cooking it.
      These are either steamed with aromatics – garlic, ginger, scallions and coriander leaf / cilantro being common – or braised in a spicy sauce or, less often, a sweet and sour sauce or they are simply fried. It largely depends on the region.
      Note that, in China, nearly all fish is served head on and on-the-bone.

      草鱼 (cǎo yú) - Ctenopharyngodon idella - grass carp
      More tomorrow.
    • By liuzhou
      Big Plate Chicken - 大盘鸡 (dà pán jī)

      This very filling dish of chicken and potato stew is from Xinjiang province in China's far west, although it is said to have been invented by a visitor from Sichuan. In recent years, it has become popular in cities across China, where it is made using a whole chicken which is chopped, with skin and on the bone, into small pieces suitable for easy chopstick handling. If you want to go that way, any Asian market should be able to chop the bird for you. Otherwise you may use boneless chicken thighs instead.


      Chicken chopped on the bone or Boneless skinless chicken thighs  6

      Light soy sauce

      Dark soy sauce

      Shaoxing wine

      Cornstarch or similar. I use potato starch.

      Vegetable oil (not olive oil)

      Star anise, 4

      Cinnamon, 1 stick

      Bay leaves, 5 or 6

      Fresh ginger, 6 coin sized slices

      Garlic.  5 cloves, roughly chopped

      Sichuan peppercorns,  1 tablespoon

      Whole dried red chillies,   6 -10  (optional). If you can source the Sichuan chiles known as Facing Heaven Chiles, so much the better.

      Potatoes 2 or 3 medium sized. peeled and cut into bite-sized pieces

      Carrot. 1,  thinly sliced

      Dried wheat noodles.  8 oz. Traditionally, these would be a long, flat thick variety. I've use Italian tagliatelle successfully.    

      Red bell pepper. 1 cut into chunks

      Green bell pepper, 1 cut into chunks


      Scallion, 2 sliced.

      First, cut the chicken into bite sized pieces and marinate in 1½ teaspoons light soy sauce, 3 teaspoons of Shaoxing and 1½ teaspoons of cornstarch. Set aside for about twenty minutes while you prepare the rest of the ingredients.

      Heat the wok and add three tablespoons cooking oil. Add the ginger, garlic, star anise, cinnamon stick, bay leaves, Sichuan peppercorns and chilies. Fry on a low heat for a  minute or so. If they look about to burn, splash a little water into your wok. This will lower the temperature slightly. Add the chicken and turn up the heat. Continue frying until the meat is nicely seared, then add the potatoes and carrots. Stir fry a minute more then add 2 teaspoons of the dark soy sauce, 2 tablespoons of the light soy sauce and 2 tablespoons of the Shaoxing wine along with 3 cups of water. Bring to a boil, then reduce to medium. Cover and cook for around 15-20 minutes until the potatoes are done.

      While the main dish is cooking, cook the noodles separately according to the packet instructions.  Reserve  some of the noodle cooking water and drain.

      When the chicken and potatoes are done, you may add a little of the noodle water if the dish appears on the dry side. It should be saucy, but not soupy. Add the bell peppers and cook for three to four minutes more. Add scallions. Check seasoning and add some salt if it needs it. It may not due to the soy sauce and, if in the USA, Shaoxing wine.

      Serve on a large plate for everyone to help themselves from. Plate the noodles first, then cover with the meat and potato. Enjoy.
    • By liuzhou
      Way back in the 1990’s, I was living in west Hunan, a truly beautiful part of China. One day, some colleagues suggested we all go for lunch the next day, a Saturday. Seemed reasonable to me. I like a bit of lunch.
      “OK. We’ll pick you up at 7 am.”
      “Excuse me? 7 am for lunch?
      “Yes. We have to go by car.”
      Well, of course, they finally picked me up at 8.30, drove in circles for an hour trying to find the guy who knew the way, then headed off into the wilds of Hunan. We drove for hours, but the scenery was beautiful, and the thousand foot drops at the side of the crash barrier free road as we headed up the mountains certainly kept me awake.
      After an eternity of bad driving along hair-raising roads which had this old atheist praying, we stopped at a run down shack in the middle of nowhere. I assumed that this was a temporary stop because the driver needed to cop a urination or something, but no. This was our lunch venue.
      We shuffled into one of the two rooms the shack consisted of and I distinctly remember that one of my hosts took charge of the lunch ordering process.
      “We want lunch for eight.” There was no menu.
      The waitress, who was also the cook, scuttled away to the other room of the shack which was apparently a kitchen.
      We sat there for a while discussing the shocking rise in bean sprout prices and other matters of national importance, then the first dish turned up. A pile of steaming hot meat surrounded by steaming hot chillies. It was delicious.
      “What is this meat?” I asked.
      About half of the party spoke some English, but my Chinese was even worse than it is now, so communications weren’t all they could be. There was a brief (by Chinese standards) meeting and they announced:
      “It’s wild animal.”
      Over the next hour or so, several other dishes arrived. They were all piles of steaming hot meat surrounded by steaming hot chillies, but the sauces and vegetable accompaniments varied. And all were very, very good indeed.
      “What’s this one?” I ventured.
      “A different wild animal.”
      “And this?”
      “Another wild animal.”
      “And this?”
      “A wild animal which is not the wild animal in the other dishes”
      I wandered off to the kitchen, as you can do in rural Chinese restaurants, and inspected the contents of their larder, fridge, etc. No clues.
      I returned to the table with a bit of an idea.
      “Please write down the Chinese names of all these animals we have eaten. I will look in my dictionary when I get home.”
      They looked at each other, consulted, argued and finally announced:
      “Sorry! We don’t know in Chinese either. “
      Whether that was true or just a way to get out of telling me what I had eaten, I’ll never know. I certainly wouldn’t be able to find the restaurant again.
      This all took place way back in the days before digital cameras, so I have no illustrations from that particular meal. But I’m guessing one of the dishes was bamboo rat.
      No pandas or tigers were injured in the making of this post
    • By liuzhou
      Note: This follows on from the Munching with the Miao topic.
      The three-hour journey north from Miao territory ended up taking four, as the driver missed a turning and we had to drive on to the next exit and go back. But our hosts waited for us at the expressway exit and led us up a winding road to our destination - Buyang 10,000 mu tea plantation (布央万亩茶园 bù yāng wàn mǔ chá yuán) The 'mu' is  a Chinese measurement of area equal to 0.07 of a hectare, but the 10,000 figure is just another Chinese way of saying "very large".
      We were in Sanjiang Dong Autonomous County, where 57% of the inhabitants are Dong.
      The Dong people (also known as the Kam) are noted for their tea, love of glutinous rice and their carpentry and architecture. And their hospitality. They tend to live at the foot of mountains, unlike the Miao who live in the mid-levels.
      By the time we arrived, it was lunch time, but first we had to have a sip of the local tea. This lady did the preparation duty.


      This was what we call black tea, but the Chinese more sensibly call 'red tea'. There is something special about drinking tea when you can see the bush it grew on just outside the window!
      Then into lunch:


      Chicken Soup

      The ubiquitous Egg and Tomato

      Dried fish with soy beans and chilli peppers. Delicious.

      Stir fried lotus root

      Daikon Radish

      Rice Paddy Fish Deep Fried in Camellia Oil - wonderful with a smoky flavour, but they are not smoked.

      Out of Focus Corn and mixed vegetable

      Fried Beans

      Steamed Pumpkin


      Beef with Bitter Melon

      Glutinous (Sticky) Rice


      The juiciest pomelo ever. The area is known for the quality of its pomelos.
      After lunch we headed out to explore the tea plantation.




      Interspersed with the tea plants are these camellia trees, the seeds of which are used to make the Dong people's preferred cooking oil.

      As we climbed the terraces we could hear singing and then came across this group of women. They are the tea pickers. It isn't tea picking time, but they came out in their traditional costumes to welcome us with their call and response music. They do often sing when picking. They were clearly enjoying themselves.

      And here they are:
      After our serenade we headed off again, this time to the east and the most memorable meal of the trip. Coming soon.
    • By liuzhou
      It sometimes seems likes every town in China has its own special take on noodles. Here in Liuzhou, Guangxi the local dish is Luosifen (螺蛳粉 luó sī fěn).
      It is a dish of rice noodles served in a very spicy stock made from the local river snails and pig bones which are stewed for hours with black cardamom, fennel seed, dried tangerine peel, cassia bark, cloves, pepper, bay leaf, licorice root, sand ginger, and star anise. Various pickled vegetables, dried tofu skin, fresh green vegetables, peanuts and loads of chilli are then usually added. Few restaurants ever reveal their precise recipe, so this is tentative. Luosifen is only really eaten in small restaurants and roadside stalls. I've never heard of anyone making it at home.
      In order to promote tourism to the city, the local government organised a food festival featuring an event named "10,000 people eat luosifen together." (In Chinese 10,000 often just means "many".)
      10,000 people (or a lot of people anyway) gathered at Liuzhou International Convention and Exhibition Centre for the grand Liuzhou luosifen eat-in. Well, they gathered in front of the centre – the actual centre is a bleak, unfinished, deserted shell of a building. I disguised myself as a noodle and joined them. 10,001.

      The vast majority of the 10,000 were students from the local colleges who patiently and happily lined up to be seated. Hey, mix students and free food – of course they are happy.

      Each table was equipped with a basket containing bottled water, a thermos flask of hot water, paper bowls, tissues etc. And most importantly, a bunch of Luosifen caps. These read “万人同品螺蛳粉” which means “10,000 people together enjoy luosifen”

      Yep, that is the soup pot! 15 meters in diameter and holding eleven tons of stock. Full of snails and pork bones, spices etc. Chefs delicately added ingredients to achieve the precise, subtle taste required.

      Noodles were distributed, soup added and dried ingredients incorporated then there was the sound of 10,000 people slurping.

      Surrounding the luosifen eating area were several stalls selling different goodies. Lamb kebabs (羊肉串) seemed most popular, but there was all sorts of food. Here are few of the delights on offer.

      Whole roast lamb or roast chicken

      Lamb Kebabs

      Kebab spice mix – Cumin, chilli powder, salt and MSG

      Kebab stall


      Different crab

      Sweet sticky rice balls

      Things on sticks

      Grilled scorpions

      Pig bones and bits

      And much more.
      To be honest, it wasn’t the best luosifen I’ve ever eaten, but it was wasn’t the worst. Especially when you consider the number they were catering for. But it was a lot of fun. Which was the point.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Create New...