" Meat " " Mayo " " Milk " very valuable terms

[rotuts]

for some time , in the WSJ and NYTimes , which I read

 

there have been articles on food labeling and what the three terms above really mean

 

these are exceptionally valuable terms commercially.

 

this showed up :

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/08/28/animal-meat-missouri-law/1114285002/

 

I think its all interesting.

 

is ' meat ' something from an animal ?     muscle cells are being cultured , and labeled ' clean '   veggie burgers are a ' meat' substitute

 

is ' Mayo ' and emulsion that contains eggs ?  their are emulsions w no eggs in the supermarket  calling themselves  Mayo

 

is  ' milk ' something from a lactating mammal ?  Almond milk ?

 

there may be other terms that are used now that try to link w the ' real stuff '

 

Billions and billions at ' Steak '

 

P.S.:  scroll down here :

 

https://urbanvegan.net/egg-free-mayonnaise-brands/

 

' Just Mayo ' vs  Hellman's

 

 

Edited August 28, 2018 by rotuts (log)

[liuzhou]

It could be argued that people are just reclaiming old meanings. At least for 'meat' and 'milk'.

 

1,000 years ago, 'meat' just meant food. It wasn't until the late 16th century that it started to become mainly used to denote animal flesh. Shakespeare's time.

 

Its use to refer to the 'flesh' of fruit nuts or eggs etc goes back to the 15th century.

 

As for 'milk', it was used in 1398 to describe the "mylke of the fygge tree".

Nothing new here.

 

I'll give you mayo (the abbreviation appeared in the 1930s whereas the first written example of "mayonnaise' is from the Victorian novelist Thackeray in 1841,)

Edited August 28, 2018 by liuzhou
typo (log)

[rotuts]

These days , its about advertising. 

 

and advertising creates fortunes that are made by implying something appears to be something else.

 

It would be entertaining to know how much money is being spent to protect or exploit common words

 

like Meat , Mayo , and Etc.

[liuzhou]

Does anyone actually think that 'almond milk' is secreted from the mammary glands of a female mammal? If so, they are nuts.

Edited August 28, 2018 by liuzhou (log)

[rotuts]

Almond Milk is much tastier than Almond juice.

[gfweb]

Would you rather have baked meat or  roasted meat?

[chromedome]

Almond milk goes back many centuries, which is perhaps why it took the dairy industry so many years' lobbying to finally get the U.S. FDA on its side ("Does an almond lactate?" is a disingenuous question, under the circumstances).

 

With lab-grown meat on the horizon, though, it's certainly clear why traditional producers are making an earnest effort at staking out their territory.

[rotuts]

this one puzzles me :

 

 the term “plant-based meats”

 

what to call animal tissue grown ' Off the Hoof "

 

who knows.

 

calling it Clean Meat  is idiotic.

 

" Mon , can we have TissueBurgers tonight ? "

 

and this image

 

 

it really pushing it.

 

earlier in the thread it was asked How many people think Almond Milk 

 

comes from a lactating female mammal 

 

shudder to think about the ranges of answers

 

remember Jay Leno's " Jay Walking ? "

Edited August 28, 2018 by rotuts (log)

[IowaDee]

And what about coconut milk and coconut water?   At least a coconut kind of looks like it could produce milk if you just went  by the shape.😉

[btbyrd]

As far as ordinary language is concerned, the basic alternative at issue is whether or not we want to apply food categories like "meat" or "mayo" or "milk" by reference to an underlying substance (such as animal flesh or egg yolk emulsions or mammalian secretions) or by reference to the category's characteristic function. If what we mean by "mayo" is "white, tangy, oily stuff that you spread on sandwiches or make tuna salad with" then vegan mayonnaise is possible. But vegan status precludes the possibility of mayonnaise-hood if what we mean by "mayo" is an emulsion made from eggs and oil. The same basic alternative applies in the case of nut milks. If by "milk" we mean "a whitish aqueous emlusion of fat, sugar, and protein that you might put on cereal or drink a glass of or put in your smoothie," then sure... nut milks are possible. But if milk refers to a substance secreted by hairy mammalian teats, then nut milk ain't milk. Neither is soy milk. As Lewis Black puts that argument, "We know there's no soy milk because there's no soy titty." I'm not convinced that's the best way to view things, and am content to make, buy, and use nut and soy "milks" without any sort of linguistic or conceptual shame. It's not like anyone's confused about whether or not these "milks" are real "moo-cow **** milk," as Mr. Black calls it.

 

These distinctions are mostly without a difference in our everyday lives, but they can come to matter in the context of our byzantine regulatory environment. Is mayo essentially an egg-based product? How the law decides could have a multi-million dollar impact. I seem to recall Hellman's trying to use the regulatory baton to badger the makers of "Just Mayo" into changing the name of their product. A lawsuit to burden their much smaller competitor. Kind of a dick move on Hellman's part. But so is putting a picture of a freaking egg in the logo of your egg-free "mayo." (It appears that the makers of Just Mayo have since removed the egg from their logo.)

 

Are hot dogs sandwiches? What about burritos? There are legal rulings on these matters that impact real people's bottom lines. Are tomatoes fruits? Yes, botanically -- they're edible ovaries. But for customs purposes, the feds say they're vegetables. Are the mutants in the fictitious X-Men universe human or are they non-human? Toy Biz, Inc. v USA argued that their X-Men figurines should not be taxed as dolls, but as toys on the grounds that the X-men are "non-human creatures." What's the metaphysical truth about the humanoid status of the X-Men? Are they even men at all? The world may never know. But for the purposes of import tariffs, the X-Men aren't human. But I digress...

Edited August 28, 2018 by btbyrd (log)

[kayb]

On 8/28/2018 at 10:38 AM, liuzhou said:

Does anyone actually think that 'almond milk' is secreted from the mammary glands of a female mammal? If so, they are nuts.

 

 

It obviously means it's produced by a lactating female almond. No boy almonds need apply.

 

[MelissaH]

13 hours ago, kayb said:

 

It obviously means it's produced by a lactating female almond. No boy almonds need apply.

 

Other than to do the prep work involved in making the female almonds lactate!