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Chamber Vacuum Sealers, 2014–

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1 hour ago, EsaK said:

 

Brilliant, many thanks for these Teo! Very helpful. I'm beginning to wonder if the power level of the pump in Mini Jumbo, VP215 etc (I think all of them do about 4m3/h) is good enough? Or if it's really quite likely to come bite back at me if I save 200€, instead of going for 8m3/h pump for example. I guess there isn't a clear answer to it, though Teo you seem to think it does actually affect longevity (as the Henkelman sales rep said too). Actually just now realized that the Jumbo series doesn't have the soft air release. Boxer series does, but for example Boxer 30 is +300€ to Jumbo 30. Wonder if it's worth that much really..

 

 

My thought is as long as you have an oil pump, you are fine.

The vacuum pump is designed for uses where it pulls a hard vacuum and maintains the hard vacuum for quite some time.  Intermittent use, like in a chamber sealer, isn't going to shorten the life of the pump.  What will change is how fast you can vacuum out the air in your chamber, which impacts sealing cycle time.  The VP215 has only a timer, so I end up setting the vacuum for a fairly long time (my machine is set for 33 seconds most of the time) so that my typical bag (6x9 is my most used size) gets a proper vacuum.  With a big bag, that's longer than required, but I don't generally care.  It's annoying if i am  sealing 10 bags at the same time, and if were doing it all day, I might actually care. 


I'd buy based on price, size, availability of service, reviews, etc, with pump size being a small factor.

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4 hours ago, EsaK said:

Actually just now realized that the Jumbo series doesn't have the soft air release.

 

IMHO soft air release is a valuable feature. 

 

Or, let me say, I would not want a machine that always slammed the air back in at top speed. Even if your release isn't adjustable, you don't want it to be as fast as possible at all times. Slamming the bags increases the chance of a puncture if the contents is borderline. 

 

(Some say that fast release is ideal if you're doing something like storing meat in marinade but I don't know if it really helps.)

 

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as in all things :

 

how much more is ' soft release ' going to cost you ?

 

can you easily afford the difference ?  

 

I haven't had any problems w puncture 

 

but its rare what I vac has bones.  its easy to double bag

 

from time to time.

 

I personally have not done ' delicate fish '

 

Id look at it that way.

 

 

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9 hours ago, EsaK said:

Or if it's really quite likely to come bite back at me if I save 200€, instead of going for 8m3/h pump for example. I guess there isn't a clear answer to it, though Teo you seem to think it does actually affect longevity (as the Henkelman sales rep said too).

 

A pump that is 2x powerful will take just a bit over 1/2 time to pull the vacuum. This means it wil last more, since after the same number of cycles it will amount much less time of active work. You are saving time too, so this depends on how much you value your personal time (10 seconds here, 10 seconds there, try making an estimate of a year of use).

Remember one thing: if you use it properly for home use, then a vacuum chamber machine will last for your lifetime. So it's better to consider everything now and buy something that will suit your use for decades. If you are going to feel the need to change machine, then you are loosing a good amount of money. In these cases I think it's better to spend a bit more and be safe for the rest of the decades.

 

 

 

9 hours ago, EsaK said:

Actually just now realized that the Jumbo series doesn't have the soft air release.

 

Never felt the need to use this feature.

 

 

 

9 hours ago, EsaK said:

Love the whole pineapple idea.. Seen slices of pineapple done but can imagine a whole one being a different kind of showstopper!

 

Then you need to learn to cut it with the diagonal indentations to cut away the "eyes", this way you get an even bigger wow effect. This is the first photo that came out after a google search.

 

 

 

9 hours ago, EsaK said:

Very happy to hear if you want to share other ideas like these

 

Uh, there are lots of things you can make, problem is remembering all of them since it's stuff you use rarely. You can reduce a liquid (like a fruit puree) just letting the pump going on for some time. You can use it for a sort of "cold blanching", you put some stuff in a bowl with water, run the machine, this way you can get various results, for example I remember @gfron1 used this method to get rid of the tannins in acorns.

 

 

 

Teo

 


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8 hours ago, dscheidt said:

The VP215 has only a timer, so I end up setting the vacuum for a fairly long time (my machine is set for 33 seconds most of the time) so that my typical bag (6x9 is my most used size) gets a proper vacuum. 

 

I would suggest @EsaK to look for a machine where it's possible to program the vacuum % as end cycle: you set it at 98% (or else), when the machine reaches that % it starts the sealing cycle then the air release. It's much more useful than programming in seconds, especially when you deal with liquids in bags.

 

 

 

Teo

 


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5 hours ago, rotuts said:

I personally have not done ' delicate fish '

 

Never had any troubles with any fish while using the "violent" air release.

 

 

 

Teo

 


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7 hours ago, horseflesh said:

 

IMHO soft air release is a valuable feature. 

 

Or, let me say, I would not want a machine that always slammed the air back in at top speed. Even if your release isn't adjustable, you don't want it to be as fast as possible at all times. Slamming the bags increases the chance of a puncture if the contents is borderline.

 

 

 

If the bag is going to fail,  I'd want it to fail now, while I'm paying attention to it, and not when its in the freezer. 

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@horseflesh Besides avoiding punctures right away with sharper things, what value do you see the soft air release providing? I'm not sure if it'd be much use for me on things like seafood as I normally get that frozen or have been fine with normal zip bags for short cooks, so it'd be great to hear why you think it's valuable!

 

@teonzo Thanks again, cold blanching and reducing a liquid sound both interesting. Serious Eats actually showed the pineapple cutting method it looks like in 2014, just saw it actually few weeks back. Noted about vacuum level being adjustable instead of time.

 

Anyone have experience with Hendi or any of their machines?

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On mine the air return can make things flap around and if I am doing multiple bags, they'll bonk in to each other. So again, I guess it is about punctures. 

 

But, I guess everyone else is getting by without so maybe I am too worried about that. 

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Its been interesting read the posts the last few days. I have a few comments, take them for what they are worth.

 

I have a Minipack MVS45x which like someone mentioned, is WAY overkill for home use.  But I happened upon it on Craigslist a few years ago and bought it for a song.   It had a grand total of 212 cycles on it when I bought it!!  It has literally become something that is used every single day!   For example I seal all my cheese, usually in a long bag leaving enough excess bag that I can cut off 1/2" when I need some cheese, and then reseal it in the same bag.  I also vacuum seal most of our leftovers.  Everything keeps so much longer!

 

We found one crazy use for it this summer, home made gelato and sorbet otter pops!  I made my own narrow otter pop bags from some large 12''x16" bags, filled them up with homemade sorbet and gelato, sealed them and popped them back into the freezer. Delicious!  They are quite labor intensive, but very fun to make.

 

Henkelman, Minipack and Sammic are the top of the line chamber vacs, all with the premium Busch pumps.  Honestly if I had the choice I would never buy a vacuum sealer without a Busch pump.  They are built incredibly well.

I do not feel that the size of the pump isn't really a concern, waiting a few more seconds per cycle shouldn't be a deal breaker in a home environment.   

 

I have soft air release on my MVS45X, it is a +/- knob on the front to adjust the return air.  I have it set to almost the lowest, but I do not find it to be an indispensable feature honestly.  On a unit that does not have it, I assume you could open it up and manually restrict the flow to the return port or hose to slow the return air if desired.

 

So for me the Henkelman would be my first choice over the VP215, although it too should last a lifetime in home use with proper maintenance.  

 

Good luck with your purchase!

 

 

 


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I can't believe you found a Minipack with 212 cycles on Craigslist!! Wow. 

 

I bought a 35XP at full price... It stung, but no regrets. Such a cool machine. 

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Just became the owner of a  VP112S.  New one in route.   No setting would produce a complete seal.  Either not enough and air intrusion or so deep of a burn it leaked.   Spent the afternoon on the phone with a nice fellow at Vacmaster but in the end no resolution.  Sure hope the replacement has a long life with the minimal use it will see

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34 minutes ago, scubadoo97 said:

Just became the owner of a  VP112S.  New one in route.   No setting would produce a complete seal.  Either not enough and air intrusion or so deep of a burn it leaked.   Spent the afternoon on the phone with a nice fellow at Vacmaster but in the end no resolution.  Sure hope the replacement has a long life with the minimal use it will see

Oh man, I didn't know whether to hit the like button or the sad button.

 

They do have really good customer service.  

 

If the replacement works like it should, it will have a very long and happy life.

 

I'm just sorry you have to pack that heavy thing up.  Ours was delivered by a nice man in a big semi truck (we met him on the main road so he didn't have to drive down our dinky ones).  I hope yours could be delivered to your door.

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New one arrived and not able to produce a reliable seal.  Just trying to seal a bag of shelled walnuts that occupy 1/3 of the bag.  It shouldn’t be that difficult 

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13 minutes ago, scubadoo97 said:

New one arrived and not able to produce a reliable seal.  Just trying to seal a bag of shelled walnuts that occupy 1/3 of the bag.  It shouldn’t be that difficult 

That's just bizarre.  So the sealing bar maybe isn't getting hot enough?

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Posted (edited)

in the past

 

the  VP112S 

 

has had some issues in getting the top set just right for the Vac

 

its mull hinged.

 

take some time to look into getting the top to sit just right

 

and make sure your settings for the seal are appropriate to the thickness of your bags

 

good luck

 

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note the hinge system

 

it might be your problem

 

as it needs to set ' just right '

 

BTW  others on this thread in the past has had trouble w this model i think

 

due to the complex hinges and setting the top just right

 

before the Vac does its Vac'ing


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The new one did not come with a new sealing bar.   Obviously the manufacturers don’t think that could be one of the issues 

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