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RHR and Marcus Wareing


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Yes.

They are quite different. What was your specific question?

My last meal at RHR was better in terms of overall quality than at Marcus Wareing, especially now that Marcus Wareing has revised his wine cellar, but maybe Marcus Wareing had more adventurous dishes.

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Yes.

They are quite different. What was your specific question?

My last meal at RHR was better in terms of overall quality than at Marcus Wareing, especially now that Marcus Wareing has revised his wine cellar, but maybe Marcus Wareing had more adventurous dishes.

Thanks for the reply, Culinista.

When were you at MW?

The menus seems to be the same as late-Petrus days.

MW Menus

Basically wanted to know how they compared...how similar they are.

I have a friend who will be in town, he is thinking of dining at both, but as his time is limited, he may just pick one.

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, but maybe Marcus Wareing had more adventurous dishes.

that must be adventurous within the realms of modern euro 2*/3* as specialised by ramsay corp, as the meal i had MW the other week was one of the dullest foodie experiences ever, perfect execution but not very interesting to eat.

not a patch on LCS/Hibiscus etc for 'adventurousness' claude served us lambs testicles don't think you'd ever see them at MW!

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Thats a bit harsh on MW, Gary!!!!!!!! :biggrin: Hmm, was planning a trip to MW in Jan. I'll have to go and see what its all about now. Interestingly,what did you find dull about it? On a personal note, I enjoyed MW(Petrus) last year more so than the food at RHR. That said, the service at RHR was simply outstanding and really stands out. My thoughts on the food at RHR, is similar to Garys thoughts of MW. Presented brilliantly but very safe. Easy to be too judgemental but I think we have seen the best on the food front at RHR restaurant. Can't ever see GR putting his energies into the place anymore. Is it still a three star gaff, not too sure on that one.

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, but maybe Marcus Wareing had more adventurous dishes.

that must be adventurous within the realms of modern euro 2*/3* as specialised by ramsay corp, as the meal i had MW the other week was one of the dullest foodie experiences ever, perfect execution but not very interesting to eat.

not a patch on LCS/Hibiscus etc for 'adventurousness' claude served us lambs testicles don't think you'd ever see them at MW!

Curious-the Mangal at the end of our road serves excellent testicles, but I don't think it's about to get any stars. Though thinking about it the food is more honest, more enjoyable and cooked with as much skill as either Wareing or Hibiscus.

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I agree with Gary.

Execution couldn't be criticised, but the flavours just did not move me.

Not a lot of imagination, I thought, either. Waring seemed to just load each dish with a 'luxury' addition: sea bass with urchin, halibut with caviar, turbot with frog's legs, etc

On top of that, service was such a letdown...

My disappointing dinner at Marcus Wareing

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I agree with Gary.

Execution couldn't be criticised, but the flavours just did not move me.

Not a lot of imagination, I thought, either. Waring seemed to just load each dish with a 'luxury' addition: sea bass with urchin, halibut with caviar, turbot with frog's legs, etc

On top of that, service was such a letdown...

My disappointing dinner at Marcus Wareing

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Then maybe you should plum for RHR. I honestly don't think you'll get the huge food 'wow' factor there either though, in view of your MW experience. I reckon they both cook in a very similar style, which is obviously to be expected. Waring will be the chef to watch. Wants to be recognised as his own man and move away from GR. Still, not sure if MW made the right choice with his attack in Waitrose mag.Whether he likes it or not GR gave him the breaks that alot of chefs would have given their right nad for.

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Thats a bit harsh on MW, Gary!!!!!!!! :biggrin: Hmm, was planning a trip to MW in Jan. I'll have to go and see what its all about now. Interestingly,what did you find dull about it? On a personal note, I  enjoyed MW(Petrus) last year more so than the food at RHR. That said, the service at RHR was simply outstanding and really stands out. My thoughts on the food at RHR, is similar to Garys thoughts of MW. Presented brilliantly but very safe. Easy to be too judgemental but I think we have seen the best on the food front at RHR restaurant. Can't ever see GR putting his energies into the place anymore. Is it still a three star gaff, not too sure on that one.

honestly i'd save your money, if you want bangs for your bucks get the train to cheltenham and try le champignon sauvage (if you've not already been) a proper chef's/foodies restaurant. Or get the train even further to seasalter and go to the sportsman, in both you'll get identifable, original cooking and i wager you'll leave with smile on your face.

and if you really want to go to london, go to hibiscus. Then think about MW.

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Hibiscus I am a big fan of.

LCS is one out-of-towner I would love to try, just like Nathan Outlaw actually, but time/transport currently make these unfeasible.

My friend is definitely going RHR. He wants to decide whether it is worth ALSO going MW. If not, I believe he will either go elsewhere.

Personally, I wouldn't return to MW until they change their menus anyway...

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LCS is a simple train / taxi .

I meet friends from london there with no problem, about a 2 hour train i think, 10 min taxi, it's easy to get there for lunch on saturday and back in a day.

Don't!

And I bet I can get there, eat (lunch and dinner), come back...and it'll still be cheaper than some of the dinner's in London....

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honestly i'd  save your money, if you want bangs for your bucks get the train to cheltenham and try le champignon sauvage (if you've not already been) a proper chef's/foodies restaurant. Or get the train even further to seasalter and go to the sportsman, in both you'll get identifable, original cooking and i wager you'll leave with smile on your face.

and if you really want to go to london, go to hibiscus. Then think about MW.

How long is the train ride out to Cheltenham. Is it feasible to leave London post 5pm and return the same evening?

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Thats probably pushing it but nationalrail.co.uk will confirm!

You're right - pushing it, but not impossible.

The 17.03 departing Euston will arrive in town at 17.23. The last train departing for Paddington is at 23.05, which puts one back in London just 8 minutes past midnight. That gives one a nice three hours at the restaurant.

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Thats probably pushing it but nationalrail.co.uk will confirm!

You're right - pushing it, but not impossible.

The 17.03 departing Euston will arrive in town at 17.23. The last train departing for Paddington is at 23.05, which puts one back in London just 8 minutes past midnight. That gives one a nice three hours at the restaurant.

However, the price of the return trip, which would be nearly 100GBP, is quite a more irksome proposition to negotiate.

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ulterior epicure, how did you get those times? (assuming the 17.23 is a typo)

The shortest time I can get is about 2h15, which sounds about right considering Cheltenham is twice as far as Oxford (which takes maybe 1h).

If there's a fast option that I have overlooked please do let me know, very interested in visiting the CS too!

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Thats probably pushing it but nationalrail.co.uk will confirm!

You're right - pushing it, but not impossible.

The 17.03 departing Euston will arrive in town at 17.23. The last train departing for Paddington is at 23.05, which puts one back in London just 8 minutes past midnight. That gives one a nice three hours at the restaurant.

Roger le Goeland,

You're absolutely right. Ouch. That was not only a typo, but a misreading. That's not 8 MINUTES past midnight, that's 8 HOURS past midnight.

Depart London Euston at 17.03 arrive Cheltenham Spa at 19.23.

Depart Cheltenham Spa at 23.05 arrive London Paddington at 07.16.

The last train departing Cheltenham that will get you back to London at a reasonable hour is the 22.00 train, which puts you back into Paddington at 2.34. That gives you under 3 hours at the restaurant and leaves you with one groggy day at the office (this is mid-week travel times - weekends may be different).

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Returning briefly (and unfashionably) to at least half the topic for this thread, I have to say my recent dinner at MW was disappointing. Possibly made so as much by my own wish and expectation that this might be the next great hope for a London 3* as anything actually wrong with the meal.

Don’t get me wrong – there were real highlights: the confit scallops; and elements of the suckling pig that were a real contender for my “Dead Animal of the Year Award”. It was incredibly serious and well-executed. But it was also just so unrelentingly deep and rich. By half-way through my main course (which was fish) I felt like I was being assaulted by the luxuriant heaviness of it all. Oh God, not another ingredient. Not another layer of flavour. I surrender.

I left feeling like Leonard Bast turned food critic “killed by the weight of cooking”.

And how different, how very different to the 2* I had enjoyed at Mugaritz just the week before.

Mugaritz

Now where is that level of technique, flair and intelligence to be found in London ?

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