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There used to be a vendor on ebay that sold those belgian chocolate melter ( the one Wybauw uses ) I cant find them anymore, I think the store has changed and sell different type of melters/tempers machine , but not the same.

Do you guys have any idea on where to find those here in the states?Or alternatives, I need one more at least the 6 or 12 kg one.

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Vanessa

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Vanessa,

Here's one source: Pastry Chef Central : Mol'd'art Melters

With the beating that the $ has taken, the prices have really gone up!

John DePaula
formerly of DePaula Confections
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When asked “What are the secrets of good cooking? Escoffier replied, “There are three: butter, butter and butter.”

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Chef Rubber has them too:

https://www.shopchefrubber.com/home.php?cat=926

I have a 3kilo round one, and I borrowed a 6 kilo from David J for my Easter production. So much nicer! Now I just need to save up my pennies for one of my very own.

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Yes, I believe the technical term is indeed "super sensitive fancy pants thermostats"! :biggrin:

Once you get the chocolate into temper, they will hold it there, because their thermostats do have a very tight range. But even knowing that, I still ask myself this same question all the time! I think the other answer is that the market is small, so they're not being mass produced and driving the price down.

Tempering machines are even more expensive. The lowest end model is the Chocosphere X3210, and its list price is $1600. http://www.chocovision.com/choco/site/x23_spec.htm

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Once you get the chocolate into temper, they will hold it there, because their thermostats do have a very tight range.

Well that's good to know! I saw the big hotel pan size melters in use on one of the Food Network chocolate challenges; I had wondered if those things held the chocolate in temper.....now I know!

Sigh.......boy would I like to have one of those...........

I bought a Chocovision Revolation 2 off of eBay. $250. It's ok, but only for home use. It only melts and tempers up to 1.5 lbs of chocolate, and when you're working with chocolate, you know that's not much at all!

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Once you get the chocolate into temper, they will hold it there, because their thermostats do have a very tight range.

Well that's good to know! I saw the big hotel pan size melters in use on one of the Food Network chocolate challenges; I had wondered if those things held the chocolate in temper.....now I know!

Sigh.......boy would I like to have one of those...........

I bought a Chocovision Revolation 2 off of eBay. $250. It's ok, but only for home use. It only melts and tempers up to 1.5 lbs of chocolate, and when you're working with chocolate, you know that's not much at all!

oh, another thing that sucks about them (aside from price) is that standard hotel pans don't fit in them (i'm pretty sure about this, but i could be wrong). just another way to get you to spend more money by buying an extra pan!

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Once you get the chocolate into temper, they will hold it there, because their thermostats do have a very tight range.

Well that's good to know! I saw the big hotel pan size melters in use on one of the Food Network chocolate challenges; I had wondered if those things held the chocolate in temper.....now I know!

Sigh.......boy would I like to have one of those...........

I bought a Chocovision Revolation 2 off of eBay. $250. It's ok, but only for home use. It only melts and tempers up to 1.5 lbs of chocolate, and when you're working with chocolate, you know that's not much at all!

Yeah, the Rev2 would be okay for small amounts of dipping, but is really useless for any significant molding.

One caveat on the melters, which you can read about in depth in other threads, is that while they will hold the chocolate at the right temperature, the chocolate will eventually begin to thicken anyway as it overcrystallizes. So some continued attention is needed - adjusting the temperature on the thermostat (once it's overcrystallized, you can go up a couple degrees without taking it out of temper), or using a heat gun to take some of the chocolate out of temper and thus dilute the crystals.

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Once you get the chocolate into temper, they will hold it there, because their thermostats do have a very tight range.

Well that's good to know! I saw the big hotel pan size melters in use on one of the Food Network chocolate challenges; I had wondered if those things held the chocolate in temper.....now I know!

Sigh.......boy would I like to have one of those...........

I bought a Chocovision Revolation 2 off of eBay. $250. It's ok, but only for home use. It only melts and tempers up to 1.5 lbs of chocolate, and when you're working with chocolate, you know that's not much at all!

oh, another thing that sucks about them (aside from price) is that standard hotel pans don't fit in them (i'm pretty sure about this, but i could be wrong). just another way to get you to spend more money by buying an extra pan!

You are not wrong. After I got the 6 kg melter I ran out and bought two half sized hotel pans cause 'wouldn't it be great to have milk and white tempered at the same time?' - looked like they should fit - don't fit!.

I had one of the Sinsation machines (the original version of the Chocovision Revolation), way too little chocolate and way to noisy to have going in the kitchen for 3 or 4 hours at a stretch. It went to a good home.

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I'll second the 'standard hotel pans don't fit in them' thing. Tried...deceivingly close, but not quite. You can, of course, order them from Mol d'Art.

Otherwise...they are indeed excellent at the narrow but significant task they perform.

Randall Raaflaub, chocolatier

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Thank you guys on the replys.I will chek those. You are right John the euro is kicking the #@%* of the $ unfortunately, I had my eyes on some boxes but coming from Europe , ouch, I will wait.

Vanessa

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Just keep an eye out on ebay. They don't show up very often though. I just got a 12kg Mol D'art on ebay for a pretty good price. The seller was new and listed it under chocolate warmer, that is why I think I didn't have any competition in bidding.

Luis

Have you been playing with it yet?

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I thought about getting a bigger melter because I was having lots of trouble working with chocolate moulds and my round 3kg melter. I could not tip the chocolate out back into the melter without making a right mess. I started tipping out onto a plastic tray but that meant I had to temper far more chocolate than I needed in one go.

I now work around this by only filling about three quarters of the cavities in any mould- as many as I can without exceding the diameter of the bowl. I buy an extra mould so I still get a reasonable number of any one type out.

By buying as many moulds as I can second hand this does not work out too expensive and if I ever get a bigger melter, well I'll be making more chocolates and want the moulds anyway.

Those melters are so expensive

Lapin

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I thought about getting a bigger melter because I was having lots of trouble working with chocolate moulds and my round 3kg melter. I could not tip the chocolate out back into the melter without making a right mess. I started tipping out onto a plastic tray but that meant I had to temper far more chocolate than I needed in one go.

I now work around this by only filling about three quarters of the cavities in any mould- as many as I can without exceding the diameter of the bowl.  I buy an extra mould so I still get a reasonable number of any one type out.

By buying as many moulds as I can second hand this does not work out too expensive and if I ever get a bigger melter, well I'll be making more chocolates and want the moulds anyway.

Those melters are so expensive

Lapin

I use a 3kg melter and fill my molds completely. I wrap the body of the melter in plastic wrap for easy cleanup. When I'm draining my molds, I hold them at a 45 degree angle over the bowl and scrape and tap, then put them on a rack to finish draining. With a little bit of practice, I've learned to do this without much mess - you might try giving that a try!

That said, I borrowed David J's 6kg melter for my Easter production, and it was great to not have to worry about it! (Although my body memory was so ingrained, I found myself using my usual technique half the time anyway.)

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I use a 3kg melter and fill my molds completely. I wrap the body of the melter in plastic wrap for easy cleanup. When I'm draining my molds, I hold them at a 45 degree angle over the bowl and scrape and tap, then put them on a rack to finish draining. With a little bit of practice, I've learned to do this without much mess - you might try giving that a try!

Tammy, its good to hear that method does work .

I was getting very uneven shell thickness when I tried to angle the mould - some too thin, some too thick and assumed it came from not having the mould level when it drained. - I will just have to try again.

I use the cling wrap lots as I still get drips and runs over the side of the bowl whatever I do!

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Just keep an eye out on ebay. They don't show up very often though. I just got a 12kg Mol D'art on ebay for a pretty good price. The seller was new and listed it under chocolate warmer, that is why I think I didn't have any competition in bidding.

Luis

Have you been playing with it yet?

Not yet, I'm low on chocolate and have a shipment coming in soon.

Luis

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while we are on the subject, anyone know where to get an extra pan for one for a dece nt price. They want $100 for an extra pan for my 12kg unit.

Luis

Personally, I'd just spring for the extra pan that custom fits the unit. If you really want to save some bucks, I guess you could try to find a smaller pan and pad the sides with some kind of non-insulating material.

John DePaula
formerly of DePaula Confections
Hand-crafted artisanal chocolates & gourmet confections - …Because Pleasure Matters…
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When asked “What are the secrets of good cooking? Escoffier replied, “There are three: butter, butter and butter.”

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Hello all,

I am a newbie here on this forum. I just graduated from Ecole Chocolat and want to thank everyone for sharing their knowledge. I feel like I know many of you from reading so many posts!

My graduation present to myself is going to be a 6 kg. Mol d'Art melter. I have priced these through many sources and the cheapest route seems to be ordering directly from Mol d'Art. The price is 350.00 euro which translates into $557.00 CAN. (I'm in Kamloops, BC, Canada). The shipping cost is 100 euro which is $160.00 CAN. I have checked and there are no duties on this item from Belgium to Canada. I'm wondering if there are any Canadians out there who want to do a bulk order? I have put this request out on our Ecole Chocolat graduate forum as well. Maybe we could get a better price on the melters as well?? US and other people - I'm not prejudiced! I just think shipping across the border might incur more costs than the savings would amount to... I've been in contact with Jozef from Mol d'Art and he is a great guy to deal with. As for shipping - all the melters would have to come in 1 shipment in order to split the costs. I would have them all shipped to me. Each melter will have it's own individual packaging. I would then readdress and ship. I figure shipping within Canada would be approx. $25.00 for a 10lb. item so that amount(s) would get added to the $160.00 and divided by the number of people wanting to order. You can order the melter that would be suitable for you. Here is the link to the Mol d'Art melter page: http://www.moldart.be/products.asp?languag...ubgroupid=34981

If anyone is interested - let me know! Feel free to email me if you prefer. I just called Qzina Vancouver to get their price on the 6 kg. melter - $1038.00CAN. Ordering directly from Belgium including the $160.00 shipping charge would be approx. $720.00CAN. That amount would be even cheaper with several people ordering. If just 2 people order the price goes down to $650.00 each. (There will most likely be GST on that amount but I'm not sure...)

I look forward to getting to know everyone!

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Hello again,

I just got a response from Jef at Mol d'Art. He said if we order at least 5 melters shipping will be free! That would make the cost of the 6 kg. melter approx. $585.00 which would include shipping from me to you. That does not include GST if it applies. There are already 2 of us on board. Any others?!

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Wow that sure sounds like a great deal on the melter!!! I'm very interested.

How would we best handle payments so everyone's investment is secure?

Are you certain about import taxes? I got killed ordering stuff in from the states, added over 25% to my final cost.

I have debated the idea of ordering from Mol D'art direct, but just figured the shipping and import taxes would make it close to the same as Qzina sells it.

I'm in the Ottawa area, Ontario. Please keep me posted

Peter

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Hello All,

Well it looks like we have 5 interested Canadian addresses (2 from here - 3 from the Ecole Chocolat graduate forum) interested in the melters which means free shipping from Belgium (if everyone is still in!).

The cost of the 6kg. melter will be approx. $550CAN. (350 euro). I checked with Canada Customs and there is no duty on this item coming from Belgium into Canada. Applicable taxes will be GST (5% = approx. $28) and BC PST (as they will be mailed to Kamloops, BC - 7% = approx. $38). They will be shipped by DHL. I inquired with them about brokerage fees and they said those are billed to the shipper. However, if they do apply they are low - 2.5%. Figure on approx. $25 - $30 shipping from Kamloops to your house. That brings the total to about $660 by the time you get it into your chocolate stained hands.

By the way Peter, I know exactly what you are saying about getting dinged with brokerage fees and duties. I called Customs Canada for that reason and inquired about the melter. He asked me all sorts of questions and then said - "no duty on that item coming from Belgium." Yay!

As for payment I was thinking we could do it the ebay way. I have a paypal account you could pay to or you could send me a cheque. If you're not comfortable with that you could use an escrow service (escrow.com). It would cost about $25 - $30.

Let's start with who's interested for sure.

Please PM me if you're interested for sure now that you've seen the costs.

By the way, I am going to order an extra pan so I can have one pan for dark and one for milk. The extra pan for the 6 kg. melter is approx. $45CAN. Let me know if you're interested in that as well.

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