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The pancake topic to end all pancake topics

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First, I'm in Australia, so when I say cornflour, I actually do mean the white stuff, that you refer to as starch. And I have been using the same set of ingredients for 4 different batches, of which the second and third were bitter, but the first and 4th were good... which actually doesn't make much sense unless I'm inadvertantly doing something different each time (i.e. different temperature of something when putting it in, or something like that).

I'm quite happy with my pancakes, when it is a "good batch". But I am always open to try new recipes and integrating their technique with my own to find a better pancake.

Thanks for the links. I will definitely check them out.

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Hmm...check out if aluminum in your baking powder tastes bitter to you (by comparing it to a non-aluminum brand, which, unfortunately, is more expensive).

Also, I went surfing on the web, and your recipe may contain too much baking powder, which can taste bitter. http://www.shaftek.org/blog/2007/01/20/bak...d-bitter-taste/

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In Australia a lot/most "Cornflour" (meaning corn starch) is made from wheat or even rice. "Corn" here is used in the older sense of "grain or seed", rather then "maize" (which is Indian Corn). White Wings produce a gluten free Maize cornflour.

The recipe looks like American style pancakes, rather then crepes. You might be better be better off asking in the general forum for help.

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I use Bill Granger's recipe for pancakes.

Off memory, it's.....

250g flour

tablespoon baking powder

3 tablespoons castor sugar

pinch of salt

750mil milk

2 eggs - beaten

80g melted butter

Mix together flour, baking power, castor sugar, and salt.

Add in milk, eggs, and butter, and mix well.

Heat pan with butter, and ladle in 80ml of the batter, and cook as you usually would.

This mix makes about 16 small pancakes.

The recipe works well as it is, but we've found that if you make the batter the night before and leave it in the fridge overnnight, what you get is a much lighter and fluffier pancake.

Even if you're not prepared to do it the night before, leaving the mixture to rest in the fridge for 30 minutes to an hour will also have a similar result (not as good as overnight, but it's still noticeable).

Daniel Chan aka "Shinboners"
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You should also look at the wide variety of Ukrainian/Russian crepes that originated after the Napoleonic invasions still world wide famous today of course fro paper thin to thick ones recipes do vary.

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This is a recipe I just used this week to make pancakes for 75 kids at a benefit event. I used half buttermilk and half whole milk plus I added a cup of whole wheat to the total flour and a cup of fresh corn meal to the recipe. Everyone raved and asked for the recipe.

Basic Pancakes

Yield 10 servings – 30 pancakes

Flour 24 oz. 680 grams

Salt 2 tsp. “

Sugar 6 oz. 170 grams

Baking soda 1 Tbs. “

Baking powder 2 Tbs. “

Milk or buttermilk 3 pints 1.5 liters

Eggs, lightly beaten 6 each “

Butter, melted 3 oz. 85 grams

Vegetable oil as needed – or griddle spray

Sift all the dry ingredients

Wisk the milk, eggs, some of the melted butter

Combine with a wooden spoon the dry and wet mixture and the remaining butter

Batter will be slightly lumpy.

Drop on moderately hot oiled – sprayed griddle using 2 oz ladle.

Cook 2-3 minutes, turn


Whole grain pancakes – substitute ¾ cup whole-wheat flour

Johnnycakes – substitute half the flour with cornmeal.

Serve with – real maple syrup and fresh berries

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i'm sorry, but i'm pretty sure this recipe can't be improved upon:

1 eggs

1dl wheat flour

1dl milk

pinch of salt

multiplied by any number. fried in good amount of butter in cast iron skillet. served with raspberry jelly and whipped cream. thin, slightly crispy around the edges, delicious.

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I make a recipe similar to Bette's (as noted above), but here's the secret for a lighter, flufflier pancake (that's seldom ever mentioned): once the ingredients are mixed, let the batter rest for a minute or two. It will get airy, almost like foam, but that will subside once you drop the batter on the griddle.


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Thanks for all your replies.

What I'm trying to achieve with my recipe is something of a cross between western pancake and Korean pancake. For more information on Korean pancake, please feel free to head to http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?showtopic=38905&st=0, where ho-ddeok is described in its many glorious incarnations.

Main differences I want to achieve (to either variant) are:

1. Ease of cooking. Western pancakes are more liquidy than the korean counterpart. The dough is watery, so that you can pour straight out of the mix into the pan and voila. The Korean kind is a kneeded dough, kind of like pizza base. Lots of work.

2. Texture differences. The Korean pancake is a lot more chewy and has a soft, crunchy (I know they are opposite words but I dont know how to describe it any better) outer layer where the dough has browned. I haven't been able to achieve this with my recipe. The western pancakes tend to be soft and fluffy. By overcooking, all I get is burnt pancakes, and not the crisp that I am after.

3. Use of easily available cooking utensils. I don't want to have to use a korean pancake griddle. I'd rather just use my 20cm tefal skillet, the way that western pancake is made.

4. New flavours. I want a heavily buttery taste, akin to buttermilk pancakes, which is not the case in ho-ddeok.

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Has anyone ever tried making pancakes with Bulgarian Buttermilk? I have read it's tangier than regular, so I don't have any idea if you would need or want to change other quantities. I saw some at the grocery store the other day and was thinking of giving it a try.

I have used it a number of times but see no difference from the less expensive brands. I prefer buttermilk cakes to those made with sweet milk. Those just seem to have something missing.

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When you say "regular" I assume you mean regular buttermilk, not regular milk, right? It's been a long time since I bought Bulgarian buttermilk. It's tasty, but my memory is that it only comes whole-milk, or 4% milkfat. Since I try to cut down on my cholesterol I always use a low-fat or 1.5% buttermilk when I make pancakes or bread or whatever.

I don't recall if the Bulgarian is tangier, but it's certainly richer. I'm sure it would make yummy pancakes, and I would just sub it in the same quantities as your favorite recipe, then see if it needed adjustment.

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Yes, sorry I wasn't clear: I am comparing regular buttermilk to Bulgarian buttermilk, which apparently uses a different bacteria in the culture, and is reputed to be more acidic. It's only $0.20 more for the half gallon, so I think I will give it a shot next time and see what I end up with.

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Bulgarian culture buttermilk makes lovely pancakes or any other "quick" breads, such as biscuits or scones, etc.

I make my own buttermilk and have kept the culture going for several years and use it for sour cream, cream cheese, yogurt and kefir as well as buttermilk.

It works well with the 2% lowfat milk (I use only organic) as well as with full-fat milk but not so well with 1%. It is okay but does not develop the "tangy" flavor I like, although you may find it just fine.

I started out with the purchased product and simply used it as my culture and kept it going just as one would with any yogurt culture.

This became an advantage when the local stores stopped carrying the commercial Bulgarian product. I can still buy it but have to drive an hour to the San Fernando Valley so making my own saves gas as well as wear and tear on my nerves!

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