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Ah, you need that fabulous toaster accessory: Toast-n-Serve or (a slightly different version) Toastabags. Basically you put together ingredients for toasted cheese sandwich, put them in this wrap or bag, pop into toaster, toast, pop out of toaster, eat. Bread toasts, cheese melts but not too much, according to Those Who Dared. There was a whole thread of Toast-n-Serve experimentation. Jason and Rachel Perlow put together numerous sandwiches with cheese plus other ingredients to test these. As noted the cheese melts and is nicely gooey, from what I remember of the pictures (yes, they posted pictures! some are on the Toast N Serve site) and quite a few eGullet members bought and tested these. Anything to further the culinary arts! I don't have the creative food brain: my mind drifts to one-pot meals; soups, stews, stir-frys, etc. Salads from what's in the fridge. Unless you want to cook something, warm up in microwave while something else heats....which is all about timing. But someone will have some good ideas.

*sigh* Sounds about perfect.

Yes! They have just the right crunch.

OH YES the food was wonderful! I second that emotion! The meatloaf was very tasty on its own and black currant sauce a delicious addition. I love black currant and I like meatloaf, but would not have paired them. I will never again eat ketchup on meatloaf. It no longer satisfies. Discussion at our table ranged from wonderful Italian food to "Why don't more DC chefs take chances and present really different food!" After this meal I second that TOO! (Also, the need for a dessert restaurant in DC was identified, if anyone is looking for a niche or a need to fill). Thanks to Nadya for transport from Firefly to CK and then to Metro for 4 people, who fit very neatly in her car. We did manage to fit back inside the car after the meal. Just. Polly Brown, who baked the shortbread, graham crackers and "biscotty" (Polly's name for her biscotti for dogs) at da Sto', sat at our table; Barbara (rosebud) and Craig had been to Italy and experienced some memorable meals, and Polly had been to Tuscany. So in between courses we heard about the great food available where the tourists never venture. Arul (tailfins) and Polly discussed the need for a new dessert restaurant and compared impressions of New York and DC restaurants. So, great food for body and for mind! AND the service WAS FIRST RATE!!! Thanks to hillvalley and babka for setting this up. And thanks to Chef and Robin for hosting us. (If anyone took some "biscotty" home and their dog has given an opinion, you can pm me if you like and I can email her, if hillvalley needs to retire from email for a bit. Of course you might tell her yourself on your next trip to CK and da Sto' ).

.edited to remove mis-identification.

I appreciate those directions (I forget who posted them). I tried to drive to the area today (per mapquest) and got, well, lost. Where is Firefly? I don't have a DC phone book handy to find the address and I don't drive in DC a lot. Thanks.

Wow...I've been just trying to let this one die. I suppose I've got to resond to this one. I hear Madonna spends six hours a day at the gym. She's got all kinds of time to be sly. Let me tell you about my 8/12. . . . . This is really a tempest in teacup. Robin and I could not think of a name. I was originally joking. But it seemed to make sense and flow. We got such positive feedback on the name we decided to keep it. That's all. I'm just a single mother trying to make a living here in DC. I have two kids to raise and put through school. I have bills to pay and so does Robin. . . . We're just (if the DCRA would quit its Mad Hatter Tea Party) trying open a store and get some additional income to pay off some debt. . . . . Those of you who don't know....I do all of the cooking at CK. ALL OF IT. I doubt I'll have time to shop at daSto, let alone think of my next "sly" maneuver. You'd think it was Slant-eyed Charlie's House of Braised Puppies. (quoted material excerpted and emphasis removed.) Man, Hooligan takes the prize! and I did appreciate the day in the life. Such a change from Kitchen Confidential, where half the staff was on dope, it seemed. But where's the glamor! And raising two kids and getting them through school is really a second job of its own. At least, since Gillian Clark is doing all the cooking, she is assured of the quality of the food served at her place. I just hope she doesn't overwork herself. I want her to stay in business a long time. I don't think she's Madonna sly, she's not reinventing herself all the time, she's a woman with goals. (Sly, even in context with the Mother of All Promotional Marketing, is not always a compliment). Gillian Clark is her own person and she's already proved she is willing to stand up for her own standards in the "special order" controversy in Sietsema's chat. People did not like reading that they should eat what they are served in her restaurant (which was her opinion). I have not read where she caved. And some people liked the name. She said so in her post. The publicity is, please pardon me, gravy. It rarely hurts to have the public become more aware of a restaurant, and egullet is reaping some publicity too. Maybe negative but if people bother to come to this site of alleged stiffnecks and hyper-PC-ites, they will find it's so much more than fussing about respect for diversity or PCness. You can LEARN stuff and have fun reading people's ideas and comments from all over the country and the world. As for her store's name, I accept her explanation, people do talk that way, in the country and in the city, people who can speak quite formal English even. It's a colloquialism, the way you talk around people who know you. Sounds like a tourist destination, kind of. Especially after hearing about More Betta Meaty Meat, on the same block as the The Spike Lee Store (can't be coincidence). I'm not thrilled about another kitsch store but if it profits and allows them to pay down debt, more power to her. Oops, I've run on a bit, sorry about that.

Thank you for keeping us updated on this crucial sandwich development. My toaster also thanks you. I wonder how long before you can order Magic Liner from their site...don't have cable just now....

I'm in. Has the time been set, and I missed it? I know it's the 7th of September.

I second your point on attractiveness. Wow. You've been through a lot with this. I feel much less burdened by my own PMS now. Although I never tried prescription meds to handle it. Some bummer side effects there. (All your appetites gone--where's the fun in life then?) If you happen to think of it, you might post that carrot cake with red pepper ice cream recipe in Recipe Gullet. Although I'm not sure you'd have the energy, so we'll all understand if you don't get around to it. I often remembered a certain scattiness in myself about that time, such as you describe but never had a diagnosis of ADD. I just figured I was too tired that week. Hope you and the docs get this ironed out for you!

Hitler was a vegetarian. Not sure about Schweitzer. Wrong. Oft repeated, but a total fiction. Why Hitler Was NOT A Vegetarian by Rynn Berry, author of Famous Vegetarians and Their Favorite Recipes and Food for The Gods . This link is to a page on the PETA site. Barry quotes chef Dione Lucas (in her Gourmet Cooking School Cookbook), Richard Schwartz, who wrote Judaism and Vegetarianism, and Robert Payne, a biographer of Hitler. Quoting, emphasis added: n September, 1991, The New York Times published "Don’t Put Hitler Among the Vegetarians," [in which] the correspondent (Richard Schwartz, author of Judaism and Vegetarianism ) pointed out that Hitler would occasionally go on vegetarian binges to cure himself of excessive sweatiness and flatulence, but that his main diet was meat-centered. He also cited Robert Payne, Albert Speer, and other well-known Hitler biographers, who mentioned Hitler’s predilection for such nonvegetarian foods as Bavarian sausages, ham, liver, and game. Furthermore, it was argued, if Hitler had been a vegetarian, he would not have banned vegetarian organizations in Germany and the occupied countries; nor would he have failed to urge a meatless diet on the German people as a way of coping with Germany’s World War II food shortage. Under the headline, "He Loved His Squab," another correspondent cited a passage from a cookbook that had been written by a European chef, Dione Lucas, who was an eyewitness to Hitler’s meat-eating. In her Gourmet Cooking School Cookbook (1964), Lucas, drawing on her experiences as a hotel chef in Hamburg during the 1930s, remembered being called upon quite often to prepare Hitler’s favorite dish, which was not a vegetarian one. "I do not mean to spoil your appetite for stuffed squab," she writes, "but you might be interested to know that it was a great favorite with Mr. Hitler, who dined at the hotel often. Let us not hold that against a fine recipe though." [barry] decided to look up the specific passages in Payne’s biography of Hitler and Dione Lucas’ The Gourmet Cooking School Cookbook that cast doubt on Hitler’s vegetarianism. Sure enough, Robert Payne, whose biography of Hitler, The Life and Death of Adolf Hitler, has been called definitive, scotches the rumor that Hitler might have been a vegetarian. According to Payne, Hitler’s vegetarianism was a fiction made up by his propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels to give him the aura of a revolutionary ascetic, a Fascistic Gandhi, if you will. It is worth quoting from Payne’s biography directly: "Hitler’s asceticism played an important part in the image he projected over Germany. According to the widely believed legend, he neither smoked nor drank, nor did he eat meat or have anything to do with women. Only the first was true. . . . His asceticism was fiction invented by Goebbels to emphasize his total dedication, his self-control, the distance that separated him from other men. By this outward show of asceticism, he could claim that he was dedicated to the service of his people. "In fact, he was remarkably self-indulgent and possessed none of the instincts of the ascetic. . .Although Hitler had no fondness for meat except in the form of sausages, and never ate fish, he enjoyed caviar. ### I went rather long on this but I wanted the facts to be here without having to open another page. As to Schweitzer, I checked a website about Nobel Prize Winners for a biography of Schweitzer, and a site about famous Germans. No mention of vegetarianism, which is usually mentioned about famous people (such as G.B. Shaw or Gandhi, who, as mentioned upthread is often quoted as knowing of vegetarians who performed deeds far more heinous than any meat eater. ).

The twisted logic? --I should just let it go, but....The logic is not that "milk", all milk, any milk, is not allowable. The logic is that "cow's milk" or "goat's milk" is not allowable because it is an animal product, from another species. Breastfeeding is allowed because as mammals, female humans produce milk to feed their own young, then wean them to plant sources. Cow's milk is supposed to feed calves, not humans. Honey belongs to the bees, etc. Twisted logic: grinding nuts in water and calling it nut milk. Well, it's a prettier name than nut slurry.

Actually, not all proteins are equal (wold you rather eat a bowl of bean curd or hair for instance ), they are made up of different amino acids. Humans can't manufacture cetain amino acids form scratch so they have to come from the diet. It is proberly easier to eat a cow as they are helpfully made of similar stuff to humans, but you can get complete amino acid coverage from a vegetarian diet. Certain plants tend to lack some essential amino acids, but this can be covered by eating other plant types. Corn and beans is a good example of this type of complementary diet.

Did he then start eating meat to avoid heinousness? (is that a word?)

frankly, they look like medium sized sugar cookies with a hershey's kiss stuck on top. Just going by appearances.... I think, Sinclair, you are right, the addition of almond extract would be a good idea.

Ah! job security!

Maybe yes, maybe no, on this point ... I need a medical doctor or a nutritionist or a vegetarian to weigh in here.........I believe I remember correctly that a totally vegetarian diet leaves one deficient - in something which only a meat-based amino acid provides. It's either Vitamin K or an iron precursor which one needs shots to supply.............can someone help me out here? You need a B-12 supplement: 2000 mcg (micrograms) once a week, or in fortified foods (twice a day). (the source of this information, since I am not a doctor nor play one on TV: Dr. Michael Greger, veganmd.org, Talks On-Line [sic], section 07 Vitamin B12. (sorry, can't link directly, click on Talks On-Line, then Optimum Vegetarian Nutrition, then 07 Vitamin B12. It IS a vegan site but you may go get a hamburger right after if you need one. ) You are supposed to be able to get everything from plant sources. The idea is, protein is protein, whether it comes from a cow or chickpea or bean or vegetable or potato. The percent of protein is where the rubber hits the road: do you want to eat a lot of chickpeas or a card-deck sized chunk of cow or pig or sheep. Anemia is not necessarily a problem. If you eat a balance of beans, greens, grains and nuts and Vitamin C rich foods with meals, that is supposed to take care of it. It's possible to get more iron than you need, just as with calcium. Personally, I cook tomato sauce in the iron skillet from time to time, and I'm fine. Personally I'm not vegan: I wear leather, I eat honey, my car seats are fabric 'cause I'm cheap, but I don't look on meat as my source of protein or iron, and no eggs or dairy. I also eat a very low fat diet. This is for health reasons, not because I am ethically purer than anybody. I do not proselytize for any movement (I am no good at it anyway). I think the landlord who bans meateaters as social misfits due to their food is indulging in wishful thinking. To exaggerate wildly for a sec, Hitler was a meateater but so I believe was Albert Schweitzer who was one of the great humanitarians of his time. Okay, back to work.

Wow. You guys have the coolest household. A freezer stuffed with all varieties of Klondike Bar plus other kinds of ice cream stuff, and White Castle, then the Toastabag Test Kitchen and now, POODLES! More than one! watching while you cook eggplant frittata. Like Astra watching Nick and Nora mix their endless flow of martinis (did they ever EAT anything?) (I'm assuming they are real, live dogs).

Its an essential oil, lavender oil, and you can ice for a few minutes and then douse directly with the oil. Here's a link that explains more about lavender: Camden-Grey. Scroll down until you get to lavender. I also use aloe vera directly from the plant, but the lavender seems to take the "ouch" out quicker, and the healing/scaring is better. (I've gotten some doozy burns on my hands over the years...haven't we all??). Please, PM if you want some more info. Regards! A long time ago I read that if you run water over a burn as hot as you can stand it and then start turning up the cold water the skin won't blister. I have saved my self a LOT of blisters with this. Something to do with not chilling it down right away. I don't think this would have been easy for the poster who stepped into 350 degree cooking oil. But it works for hands. As hot as you can stand it = i usually ran the hot tap till it gets its hottest, stuck my hand under the stream till I felt the temperature and the water. (There was usually a couple nanoseconds while the burned part adjusted to the water), then started adjusting slowly right away, turning on the cold to make the water just hottish, so you don't burn the good skin, then turning down the hot till it was just about skin temp. Then the burn ointment just in case--I used the painkiller kind. The pain was less too, and I didn't get a blister that might pop and get infected. Fortunately I usually only burned one hand or forearm at a time so I had a free hand for treatment. However, I think the lavender oil is a pretty remedy. I don't really hope I have an opportunity to test soon....

The inside--where the food is--is stainless steel? The aluminum disk in the bottom is covered, right? I should probably know this but have not studied "panology" all that much. (Family member--aluminum pan issues). Thanks.

Congratulations!!! Pickles: love the little blue smiley/shrieky. But really, some months at this TOM (love the acronym) I just don't give a damn about attractive. Hmmm... "feeling low?" "Yeah, TOM's back in town..." "Oh, I know what you mean. Have some chips. Here, take the bag!"

Wow. No, never even THOUGHT of it. It's BIRD food, man! You can tell I was not the adventurous type. If you ever chance to try the egg with fish intestine dish you mentioned, let us know how it was. For better or for worse.

I concur. I ate shrimp that were not deveined ONCE. Got sick--it didn't come back up, it went straight thru. NEVER AGAIN.

and on the fifth of each month, we salute the concept of "Better Living Through Chemistry" by eating the fake-flavored chip of our choice! The rest of the time, we stick to the sublime basics: salt-fat-starch. Yum, I'm gettin' hungry!

Interesting. Why? Do you have an alternative short-form or do you always speak the entire word? YES ! YES! Speaking for myself, I REALLY DO prefer to pronounce the entire word, rather than truncate in what sounds to me like nursery-speak: Eat your veggies. Play nice with the doggy. Don't pull the kitty's tail. What does the ducky say? etc. To me it's about talking like a grown-up adult person who doesn't need to amuse everybody by being childlike. "That awfully-long word, so hard for my wittle mowf to say!" For me, it's just SILLY when anyone over the age of, say, five, says this. In fact my parents used the full form of the word because they wanted us, when five, to talk like the adults we would become. They didn't use any baby-talk which is what this used to be. I noticed it coming out of the mouths of grownups starting back in the late 70's, early 80's when people were starting to be a tad more health-conscious than before. It seemed to be a yuppie thing then, among the newly Out of the Nest (having left home, graduated college, all on their own now, no one to monitor what they ate or did and correct them if they erred). I supposed at the time it reminded them of their childhood (you know, when Mother or Nanny provided all sustenance, nutritional and otherwise, and you didn't have to shop and remember the 4 food groups as they were then and iron your own clothes and all that. In those days, usually said in kind of a cutesy way (by women generally.). Probably something about acknowledging MOTHER WAS RIGHT about that vegetable stuff back when they were five and rebellious. I, personally, count it as part of the dumbing down of culture generally, but if people find "veggies" more interesting to eat than "vegetables" and they do eat a better diet, let them say on! (In MY home, spinach remains a vegetable). Okay, too much time on seven little letters. Back to work!