I posted this over in the thread in vinegar based drinks 'cos I did not see the shrub! After making the elderberry drink I found out it is what Americans call a shrub. There have been so many elderberries around I have been experimenting. Have also made something that has something of the flavour and consistency of pomegranate molasses. This has been a great year for berries in general, and I have picked lots of elderberries. I crushed 2 litres lightly then covered with cider vinegar. Cooked them a little to remove any cyanide. After a week or so I strained them and added some honey. I now have a delicious refreshing drink, when diluted, and a great winter tonic.